Posted on 01/29/2016 6:58:13 AM PST by Nextrush
If you knew anything about him, which you don’t, you wouldn’t assume suicide.
Did you know him? I'm simply going by LaVoy’s own words prior to this incident.
Listening to multiple videos of LaVoy speaking, he seemed very metered and controlled. During the video, he was out of the vehicle within seconds.
Walking through the snow embankment hands in the air. He then began to whirl around when he noticed an officer coming from the treeline. He reached into his coat once, turned, reached in his coat once again.
This was plain as day. They also removed a 9mm from his jacket after he'd fallen dead. They attempted to blow the roadblock, became stuck in the snowbank, nearly hitting an officer.
At this point, there is no where to go. You are not going to get away. Any rash movements will likely get a person shot. Why would he jump from the vehicle suddenly? Why would he even give an impression of reaching in his jacket...twice?
Come on. LaVoy was determined not to be taken to jail. Can't blame him. If you were used to the open country, accustomed to that free lifestyle...would you want to sit in a cell for YEARS...dreaming of the life you once led?
Nope.
I think the other men in the vehicles fit in that 'many', whereas Finicum, but his words and deeds, does not.
I'm a pro-freedom, pro individual rights guy. I'm also against the government owning vast tracts of land.
Me too, but I think it is clear from the derision and indifference the vast majority is fine with the government owning that land. I don't like it, but I acknowledge it.
Yes. I am. After all, they used foam bullets on the people in the van.
They could have shot him in the leg, the shoulder, etc., but no. They shot him in the back.
Police in Cleveland shot a 12 year old boy without factually determining if he was carrying a gun. Happens all the time.
Do you realize how much you sound like the Michael Brown supporters or the relatives on any number of police shooting victims who ask why the police didn't shoot their baby boy in the arm or the leg?
Yes.
I don’t like the idea and seeing videos of police emptying clips into people. You do?
No, I don't. But it happens all too frequently under dubious circumstances, and this incident is no different than other ones. And I have no doubt this will be found to be justified as so many of the others have.
This will be found? Without audio? With obvious proof that there was no medical attention there? Without an autopsy?
Ad populum is a fallacy. As so many others have projected their own wants on the situation, without video from the front, and, audio.
He may just as well have been simply reaching for his wound. Further, with 3 weapons found in his truck, he may actually have been unarmed...and a weapon conveniently found on him later or simply stated to have existed.
His hands were up. UP. They shot him anyway. They murdered this man and intended to in the first place. It’s why they even had someone in the trees.
They shot him in the back.
You go ahead and defend the shoot. You also defended the decision against the Hammonds: the last ranch standing out there-perhaps to be mined for uranium to enrich H3ll, Wyden, and the Governor’s pockets-or even 0bama’s “flexibility.”
You just described the Michael Brown case. Evidence later determined that the shooting was justified. Wait for all the evidence to come out in this one as well.
He may just as well have been simply reaching for his wound. He may just as well have been simply reaching for his wound. Further, with 3 weapons found in his truck, he may actually have been unarmed...and a weapon conveniently found on him later or simply stated to have existed.and a weapon conveniently found on him later or simply stated to have existed.
Tamir Rice may have just wanted to show police it was a toy. John Crawford may just wanted to display that it was a BB gun. Both were shot when they made what the police thought was a threatening move. Both shootings were determined to be justified.
He may just as well have been simply reaching for his wound. Further, with 3 weapons found in his truck, he may actually have been unarmed...and a weapon conveniently found on him later or simply stated to have existed.
Do you have any idea how many unarmed citizens have been shot and killed by police who later said they thought that the victim was armed? A bunch. And how many of those were ruled to be justified? The vast majority of them. These days police only have to suspect you might possibly have a weapon and could conceivable be a threat to them and the shooting is ruled to be justified.
His hands were up. UP. They shot him anyway. They murdered this man and intended to in the first place. It’s why they even had someone in the trees.
The video I've seen shows him lowering his hands to his waistband when he was shot. Police saw it as a threat and acted accordingly.
You go ahead and defend the shoot.
It doesn't need me to condemn it or defend it. In the USA of today police can shoot just about anyone for the vaguest of reasons and they get away with it. Or haven't you been watching the news lately?
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