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To: blueunicorn6

But.. IMO, this entire event was planned by both team 0dunga AND Iran, well before the boats departed their place of origin. Another 0dunga ‘giveaway’ as it were and to embarrass the U.S. and making Iran look ‘nice’ for giving our sailors back ahead of receiving their $150 BILLION jackpot.


16 posted on 01/14/2016 10:06:07 AM PST by CivilWarBrewing (u)
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To: CivilWarBrewing

That would make Obama a traitor.

I think that this happening right before Obama’s speech was a slap in the face to him.

I think Obama is involved in this Shia/Sunni feud right up to his eyeballs.


19 posted on 01/14/2016 10:11:28 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: CivilWarBrewing

B I N G O ..!!!!!!!!

I think you are exactly correct.


33 posted on 01/14/2016 2:43:00 PM PST by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: CivilWarBrewing
"...to embarrass the U.S...." ~CivilWarBrewing

BINGO! There is no coincidence in the timing of the SOTU and the closing of this suicidal, nay, treasonous Iran nuclear deal.

Obama's 'apology tour' just graduated to yet another degree of dhimmitude by deeply humiliating our NAVY and imposing his disgusting brand of 'dhimmi-diplomacy' upon this entire nation.

To demonstrate his administrations 'diplomatic skills' the US capitulated immediately. Globally broadcasting video tape of the capture, seizures, public humiliations, apologies all fit horrifically into the effort to demonstrate to the world the degrading cultural edict/tradition of shariah imposed dhimmi contract/jizyah collection.

Jizyah is not simply handed over. It is a deeply humiliating exchange providing 'tribute' to the conquering Islamic overlords.

"According to Ibn Taymiyya, as a part of the fay, the jizya was a restitution of an "inheritance", of which the Muslim "was deprived" because it had been unlawfully held by infidels. Through victory in warfare Allah has "restored" these resources to benefit the Muslim community and thus the service of Allah"

For the dhimmi, the annual jizya payment was a powerful and public symbolic expression of the jihad-dhimmitude nexus, which fixed the horizon of the dhimmi's world. Although the ritual varied in its specific features, its essential character was an enactment of a beheading, in which one of the recurrent features was a blow to the neck of the dhimmi, at the very point when he makes his payment.

The great Persian commentator al~Baydawi (d. 1316) attributed the neck-striking ritual to the authority of Ibn 'Abbas (d.687):

"According to Ibn 'Abbas, the dhimmi is struck on the neck (with the hand) when the tribute is collected from him…."[15]

A detailed 15th~century description of this ritual is provided by the Moroccan jurist al~Maghili (d. 1504):

"On the day of payment they [the dhimmis] shall be assembled in a public place like the suq.

They should be standing there waiting in the lowest and dirtiest place. The acting officials representing the Law shall be placed above them and shall adopt a threatening attitude so that it seems to them, as well as to the others, that our object is to degrade them by pretending to take their possessions. They will realise that we are doing them a favour (again) in accepting from them the jizya and letting them (thus) go free. They then shall be dragged one by one (to the officer responsible) for the exacting of payment. When paying, the dhimmi will receive a blow and will be thrown aside so that he will think that he has escaped the sword through this (insult). This is the way that the friends of the Lord [sayyid: Muhammad], of the first and last generations will act toward their infidel enemies, for might belongs to Allah, to His Prophet, and to the believers."[16]

Historical sources from the 19th century ~ four centuries after al~Maghili ~ show that this ritual of defeat continued to be practiced in Morocco right up to the beginning of the modern era. James Riley, an American captain, who was shipwrecked off the coast of North Africa, captured and enslaved, and escaped to tell the tale, described a jizya ceremony which took place at Mogodore in 1815. He relates how each Jew, on paying the jizya, was struck a "smart blow" to the head ."

[read more here: http://www.nationalobserver.net/2010/82_3_islam_durie.htm%5D


37 posted on 01/14/2016 4:09:53 PM PST by wtd
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