Weapons seized from the American Riverine vessels, including chainguns, rifles, and belts of what appears to be .50 caliber ammunition, are laid out by the Iranian soldiers who intercepted the boats
WTF?
What am I missing? 
Posted on 01/14/2016 9:39:04 AM PST by wtd
Neither boat had a functioning radio or cell phone either, it seems.
No May-Day as the bandits approch to nab the boats, machine guns, and gutnts. No shots fired... No fighters from near by carriers, no support from the related task force... NO SHIFT..
Or just another stand down and grovel?
Rab.
Not bad fuel as in contaminated, or dirty.
I mean bad as in gelling at low temps.
That would explain both boats failing, if that’s what happened.
January, and not trying to posit freezing temps there, but colder than they counted on.
He was NOT a Navy SEAL.
The seamen are in violation of the UCMJ - they surrendered their command and themselves without resistance - thereby putting US national security at risk over blackmail
Who?
I have been out a while (and I wasn’t in the Navy) but I think the military was trying to get to the point where everything runs on kerosene. I’d be surprised if they gelled up.
I do not believe that. They were in communication with the command staff asking for support. No support was rendered and they were ordered to stand down and surrender.
I can guess the answer, but how much training are our troops given about illegal orders? Surely the officers are.
As a former Surface Warfare Officer who operated in that area, albeit decades ago, I can make several observations.
1.) Some higher echelon in the US Navy knew where those boats were at all times.
2.) The Iranians knew where those boats were at all time.
3.) If a US craft violated the sovereign territory of Iran the Iranians are absolutely justified in seizing the craft and the crew.
4.) If the Iranians seized a US craft in International Waters it would be an act of war and responded to as such immediately.
Which leads me to conclude the small boats were in territorial waters and knew it.
Other observations:
The small boats had empty gun mounts. There were SAW’s mounted but no M2’s. This leads me to conclude the boats were in transit. As I recall SAW’s are small arms and stay with the vessel but in the USN 50’s are in a higher class of weapon and kept aboard whatever was tending the boats.
Allegedly one boat lost propulsion. It has two diesels so the most likely culprit would have been a fuel issue of some kind.
However, those craft have the gear and the crew has the training to take the other one in tow, which raises a host of questions, in my view, of why that was not done. So either that Lieutenant in charge is in a world of hurt, or this was an attempt at gauging Iranian capabilities and responses.
“So either that Lieutenant in charge is in a world of hurt, or this was an attempt at gauging Iranian capabilities and responses.”
Why the heck would Iranian VarJar’s puppet try to do anything FOR America like gauge Iranian capabilities?
You seem to be assuming our CIC didn’t set up and plan this incident, like he didn’t set up our drone suddenly landing in Iran in Dec. 2011, right?
You are not obligated to follow an unlawful order
PLANNED BY THE USA PIRACY ..!!!!!!
Why else would the President never mention it during his State of the Union speech ..??
The whole idea was to make sure the Congress thought that Iran was WORTHY to receive over A BILLION DOLLARS.
Seeeeee .. they’re really nice guys .. okay ..????
B I N G O ..!!!!!!!!
I think you are exactly correct.
No slap at Obama .. HE KNEW ALL ABOUT IT.
PENTAGON SAID ....... STAGED!
IT WAS NOT ABOUT GUAGING CAPABILITIES OF IRAN.
It was about the President planning (staging) a takeover by NICE people (the Iranians). In order to force the Congress to give Iran the $150 billion OBAMA PROMISED THEM.
Seeeeee .. they’re being nice .. they’re learning to be friendly ..??? If you believe that .. I have a gun ship for sale - cheap.
So ‘ASS Carter’ said today:
“They obviously had misnavigated ... that’s how they believe they ended up in this circumstance,” he added. “They did not report this navigational error at the time. It may be that they were trying to sort it out at the time they encountered Iranian boats. ... We don’t know that fully yet.”
I heard on a news report that also the Administration said that the nav error was just a ‘Fat Finger’ mistake...
What a croc!
"...to embarrass the U.S...." ~CivilWarBrewing
BINGO! There is no coincidence in the timing of the SOTU and the closing of this suicidal, nay, treasonous Iran nuclear deal.
Obama's 'apology tour' just graduated to yet another degree of dhimmitude by deeply humiliating our NAVY and imposing his disgusting brand of 'dhimmi-diplomacy' upon this entire nation.
To demonstrate his administrations 'diplomatic skills' the US capitulated immediately. Globally broadcasting video tape of the capture, seizures, public humiliations, apologies all fit horrifically into the effort to demonstrate to the world the degrading cultural edict/tradition of shariah imposed dhimmi contract/jizyah collection.
Jizyah is not simply handed over. It is a deeply humiliating exchange providing 'tribute' to the conquering Islamic overlords.
"According to Ibn Taymiyya, as a part of the fay, the jizya was a restitution of an "inheritance", of which the Muslim "was deprived" because it had been unlawfully held by infidels. Through victory in warfare Allah has "restored" these resources to benefit the Muslim community and thus the service of Allah"
For the dhimmi, the annual jizya payment was a powerful and public symbolic expression of the jihad-dhimmitude nexus, which fixed the horizon of the dhimmi's world. Although the ritual varied in its specific features, its essential character was an enactment of a beheading, in which one of the recurrent features was a blow to the neck of the dhimmi, at the very point when he makes his payment.
The great Persian commentator al~Baydawi (d. 1316) attributed the neck-striking ritual to the authority of Ibn 'Abbas (d.687):
"According to Ibn 'Abbas, the dhimmi is struck on the neck (with the hand) when the tribute is collected from him…."[15]
A detailed 15th~century description of this ritual is provided by the Moroccan jurist al~Maghili (d. 1504):
"On the day of payment they [the dhimmis] shall be assembled in a public place like the suq.
They should be standing there waiting in the lowest and dirtiest place. The acting officials representing the Law shall be placed above them and shall adopt a threatening attitude so that it seems to them, as well as to the others, that our object is to degrade them by pretending to take their possessions. They will realise that we are doing them a favour (again) in accepting from them the jizya and letting them (thus) go free. They then shall be dragged one by one (to the officer responsible) for the exacting of payment. When paying, the dhimmi will receive a blow and will be thrown aside so that he will think that he has escaped the sword through this (insult). This is the way that the friends of the Lord [sayyid: Muhammad], of the first and last generations will act toward their infidel enemies, for might belongs to Allah, to His Prophet, and to the believers."[16]
Historical sources from the 19th century ~ four centuries after al~Maghili ~ show that this ritual of defeat continued to be practiced in Morocco right up to the beginning of the modern era. James Riley, an American captain, who was shipwrecked off the coast of North Africa, captured and enslaved, and escaped to tell the tale, described a jizya ceremony which took place at Mogodore in 1815. He relates how each Jew, on paying the jizya, was struck a "smart blow" to the head ."
[read more here: http://www.nationalobserver.net/2010/82_3_islam_durie.htm%5D
"So 'ASS Carter' said ~ that the nav error was just a 'Fat Finger' mistake" ~KeyLargo
Ash Carter, eh? The same numbskull who Called Iran to help when the US Sailor's boats 'had trouble'?
There is no coincidence in the timing of the SOTU and the closing of this suicidal, nay, treasonous Iran nuclear deal.
Obama's 'apology tour' just graduated to yet another degree of dhimmitude by deeply humiliating our NAVY and imposing his disgusting brand of 'dhimmi-diplomacy' upon this entire nation.
To demonstrate his administrations 'diplomatic skills' the US capitulated immediately. Globally broadcasting video tape of the capture, seizures, public humiliations, apologies all fit horrifically into the effort to demonstrate to the world the degrading cultural edict/tradition of shariah imposed dhimmi contract/jizyah collection.
Jizyah is not simply handed over. It is a deeply humiliating exchange providing 'tribute' to the conquering Islamic overlords.
"According to Ibn Taymiyya, as a part of the fay, the jizya was a restitution of an "inheritance", of which the Muslim "was deprived" because it had been unlawfully held by infidels. Through victory in warfare Allah has "restored" these resources to benefit the Muslim community and thus the service of Allah"
For the dhimmi, the annual jizya payment was a powerful and public symbolic expression of the jihad-dhimmitude nexus, which fixed the horizon of the dhimmi's world. Although the ritual varied in its specific features, its essential character was an enactment of a beheading, in which one of the recurrent features was a blow to the neck of the dhimmi, at the very point when he makes his payment.
The great Persian commentator al~Baydawi (d. 1316) attributed the neck-striking ritual to the authority of Ibn 'Abbas (d.687):
"According to Ibn 'Abbas, the dhimmi is struck on the neck (with the hand) when the tribute is collected from him…."[15]
A detailed 15th~century description of this ritual is provided by the Moroccan jurist al~Maghili (d. 1504):
"On the day of payment they [the dhimmis] shall be assembled in a public place like the suq.
They should be standing there waiting in the lowest and dirtiest place. The acting officials representing the Law shall be placed above them and shall adopt a threatening attitude so that it seems to them, as well as to the others, that our object is to degrade them by pretending to take their possessions. They will realise that we are doing them a favour (again) in accepting from them the jizya and letting them (thus) go free. They then shall be dragged one by one (to the officer responsible) for the exacting of payment. When paying, the dhimmi will receive a blow and will be thrown aside so that he will think that he has escaped the sword through this (insult). This is the way that the friends of the Lord [sayyid: Muhammad], of the first and last generations will act toward their infidel enemies, for might belongs to Allah, to His Prophet, and to the believers."[16]
Historical sources from the 19th century ~ four centuries after al~Maghili ~ show that this ritual of defeat continued to be practiced in Morocco right up to the beginning of the modern era. James Riley, an American captain, who was shipwrecked off the coast of North Africa, captured and enslaved, and escaped to tell the tale, described a jizya ceremony which took place at Mogodore in 1815. He relates how each Jew, on paying the jizya, was struck a "smart blow" to the head ."
[read more here: http://www.nationalobserver.net/2010/82_3_islam_durie.htm%5D
Weapons seized from the American Riverine vessels, including chainguns, rifles, and belts of what appears to be .50 caliber ammunition, are laid out by the Iranian soldiers who intercepted the boats
WTF?
What am I missing?
I think that the take~down happened in international waters. The Iranians would have known to the minute when the boats were leaving Kuwait, and their probable course to Bahrain, so an intercept would be simple. They know our ROE would be "Do not shoot EVER unless you are fired upon first. PERIOD!!!"
So, if the Iranians jam our boats so they cannot communicate, and then swoop in close, it's almost a guaranteed outcome. They KNOW we won't shoot first! So by coming in closer and closer with weapons aimed at our sailors, overwhelming them with numbers at point-blank, then on loudspeaker they say, "Step away from your weapons or we will slaughter you!" At that point, it's a fait accompli. Once our sailors step back from their guns, it's over. Next, "Take off your jackets and weapons " etc, until they are in t~shirts only. Then “Kneel down!"
Step by step they get their way, based on a deep understanding of our ROE and our responses at every stage. Once they have control of our boats, they can drive them to Farsi Island, and remove every single GPS device, radar, cell phone etc. Then, there can be no proof of where the attack happened. And worst of all, Obama and Kerry are happy to go along with the lie, in order not to upset the nuclear deal applecart.
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