because they were there before it started
Posted on 01/06/2016 8:06:44 PM PST by Elderberry
The tragedy last May 17 in Waco. Texas was a rock that fell from the sky into the ocean. Now the rock is buried fathoms deep and only the ripples remain - spreading farther and farther.
The local authorities, most notably District Attorney Abel Reyna. know exactly how those nine men died.
Video
At a glance, this is not a complicated case. The actual bloodshed was captured on multiple video cameras. A mere 42 seconds elapsed from the very first overhand right until the moment a Cossack named Wayne Lee Campbell made the mistake of trying to shoot it out with Swat. Campbell was immediately shot through the chin. Some tiny decimal of a percentage of a second later the bullet tore open his carotid artery. Campbell had just enough time to reflexively grab for his face with both hands before he blacked out from the resulting blood pressure drop and he fell like a stone. The last stomp came 26 seconds after that and the fight was clearly over 109 seconds after the first punch.
Just as CNN reported on May 19, at least four Cossacks were killed by police. Most of the people who were there that day, including most of the Cossacks and Scimitars, ran for their lives at the sound of the first shot. The most notable exception to that was Jesus Delgado "Jesse" "Mohawk" Rodriguez who did not belong to any club and who died trying to save lives.
When they assembled their pack eight miles north of the Twin Peaks that morning most of Cossacks and their supporters actually seemed to think they were on a peace mission. Most of the people who were arrested that day had clearly committed no crime
The Texas Rangers had a plan to transport detainees to two separate locations - one for the Cossacks and their supporters and the other for members of the Confederation of Clubs and Independents. Then Reyna decided to arrest 177 people and lock them up in order to silence all the witnesses. Of course he could not or did not silence various spokesmen for the Cossacks and so a more or less official narrative, based on statements made by Cossacks, has sprouted and rooted in the American mind.
Blame The Waitresses
There was also a deliberate attempt to blame the Waco Twin Peaks for everything. Police statements were manufactured after the massacre that quote a night manager as asking a police sergeant to stop "chasing off his customers." Waco Police spokesman Patrick Swanton immediately and repeatedly blamed the Twin Peaks and that encouraged a sheaf of ongoing lawsuits. Most of the filings in these suits are repetitive and uninformative which is why they haven't been more extensively reported here. But every once in a while something in one of those documents illustrates how blatantly every official in Waco has been stonewalling everybody - the dead, the wounded, the arrested, their lawyers and the world press.
One of the civil suits has been filed by the grieving survivors of a Cossack named Matthew Mark Smith. Smith was shot with a .45 caliber pistol round and he may have also been shot through by police. The complainants think the owners of the Waco Twin Peaks are responsible for Smith's death. And the Twin Peaks lawyer, James C. Winton, thinks his clients are not.
The Twin Peaks stance is that the restaurant was just trying to sell some burgers and beer. The former restaurant's owners argue they rented "the patio of TPW for a peaceable meeting to discuss the Texas legislative session and disseminate information regarding issues of public interest to motorcycle enthusiasts."
Why
In a filing on December 28, Twin Peaks owners openly wonder why they should be any more culpable than the police. The filing - it is an amended response to the survivors' suit - raises a basic question that has begged for an answer for almost eight months.
One sentence reads, "Defendants are informed and believe that at least twenty-two officers from various law enforcement agencies, including Waco PD and Texas DPS, were positioned around the restaurant prior to the Incident although law enforcement claims that it had 'no specific intelligence to indicate that an altercation was going to occur.'"
So why were the police there? What did they know that they have so far refused to admit? And, will they ever be shamed into telling the truth?
My question is how did SWAT get there so fast? I mean, it seems they were there the minute shooting started.
Would they need to get a phone call, up on thier armor, drive out there and get positioned?
Makes no sense to me.
“So why were the police there? What did they know that they have so far refused to admit? And, will they ever be shamed into telling the truth?”
Shame them? No what is need here is massive amounts of litigation against the City of Whacko, it’s PD, the DPS and Abel Reyna.
“My question is how did SWAT get there so fast? I mean, it seems they were there the minute shooting started.”
They knew that the Bandidos were moving into Cossack territory in big numbers and Cossacks were going in big numbers to counter.
because they were there before it started
” No what is need here is massive amounts of litigation against the City of Whacko, it’s PD, the DPS and Abel Reyna.”
Two hundred plus gangsters start a gunfight in a public plaza and you blame Waco? Duh ....
“Makes no sense to me.”
They had been to previous biker gatherings at that same Twin Peaks before.
TG you probably wouldn’t recognize the truth if it bit you where you sit!
“TG you probably wouldn’t recognize the truth if it bit you where you sit!”
LOL! I post facts you can’t counter and that is the best you can do!
“I post facts you can’t counter and that is the best you can do!”
Well, since Whacko isn’t telling any of you anything of consequence, “the facts” are few and far between. But then that’s what you get when you have a corrupt government, cops, prosecutors and judges (what the hell, jus a bunch of good ole boys takin care of bidnuss now don’t you go wonderin why cuz yo is jus a ordinary person). What’s amazing to me is that people died, and you seem to think that that was o.k. because they were “bad people” and “they deserved it,” even though we don’t even know who shot whom. So when some cop puts a .223 through you, the rest of us will just have to say “oh well” and not wonder why he did it.
“Two hundred plus gangsters start a gunfight in a public plaza and you blame Waco? Duh ....”
Two hundred plus people did not start a gunfight in a public plaza and that includes fist fights. You are the one that needs to get his facts straight.
“What’s amazing to me is that people died, and you seem to think that that was o.k. “
LOL! Well known that joining a gang shortens your life span ...
“Two hundred plus people did not start a gunfight in a public plaza and that includes fist fights. “
Sorry. I think the number was 194.
“Then Reyna decided to arrest 177 people and lock them up in order to silence all the witnesses”
Bunch of bullcrap. He locked them up cause they were all involved and to a person they all started that dishonest “know nothing, saw nothing” game. So everyone there is a suspect or material witness, and was locked up.
As for how the swat team got there that fast, they correctly knew that Cossacks intended to dispute the bandito racket for extorting taxes from all the other bikers in Texas. A fight was obvious in this obvious turf war among the child men who all like to dress the same.
“they rented “the patio of TPW for a peaceable meeting to discuss the Texas legislative session and disseminate information regarding issues of public interest to motorcycle enthusiasts.””
So gay to lie like this. I have heard right here the defenders of the innocent sainted Cossacks and banditos saying that a motorcyclist club who wants to wear a certain patch will be in severe danger if they do not show up for these meetings and get “permission” as required.
Then the next time, it was to discuss motorcycle law and interesting motorcycle topics.
Great comedy.
I’m just glad no innocent people on their way home from church that morning were harmed. Damn idiots. Grown men dressing alike and getting upset at clothes others might be wearing. They found out who really rightfully wears the “Texas” patch after all.
Maybe they stay away from Waco now.
Go ahead, make up some more facts while you are on a creative writing binge.
“LOL! Well known that joining a gang shortens your life span ...”
You sure don’t seem to care much for the Constitution do you? I am looking foreward to a lot more “information” coming out of Whacko this year, including their Just Us “system” getting some deserved scrutiny.
ME: “LOL! Well known that joining a gang shortens your life span ...â€
“You sure don’t seem to care much for the Constitution do you? “
Non Sequitur
“I have heard right here the defenders of the innocent sainted Cossacks and banditos saying that a motorcyclist club who wants to wear a certain patch will be in severe danger if they do not show up for these meetings and get “permission†as required.”
Follow the money. Motorcycle clubs pay dues to CoC.
Bandidos and support gangs chair every CoC chapter in Texas. It’s is either rigged or all the good bikers support the Bandidos as their leader and representative in the elections.
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