Posted on 12/02/2015 8:59:07 PM PST by WhiskeyX
You got that right. Another factor they left out is the skyrocketing cost of bread. Oroweat Rye was going on sale quite often, but not lately. It’s been selling at regular price for awhile now, around $4.58! So, the higher and higher costs of baked breads is lowering bread consumption as well.
We dropped breads (a favorite food group) from the diet when we started using the ketogenic diet and nutritional ketosis in an effort to reverse Type II diabetes. We’re experimenting with ketogenic friendly subsitutes, including almond flour recipes.
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I am Type II. For about ten years I was on medication but couldn’t handle the side effects. I lost weight and cut way back on carbs. I thought I had beaten diabetes. I went from high blood sugar levels to low levels. I even passed out a few times from low blood levels.
About a month ago I moved in with my daughter, Their dietary pattern was different from mine. I still maintained my levels by eating very small potions. My blood sugar ran in the 130 to 150 range. That changed on Thanksgiving. After eating my sugar was at 220! I had not beaten it but was controlling it.
Thank you for these summaries. They make a wonderful contribution to FR.
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How much has tortilla consumption gone up in the same period?
You are ignorant and don’t know what you are talking about, because you are just repeating the myth. It is just that kind of myth repetition that doomed millions of people to a horrible existence and unnecessarily premature death that still prevails today with a healthcare system which still refuses to inform patients about what was previously effective standard care for diabetics.
Thanx. I binged on Thanksgiving and then breads. Today is a new start.
Seems like a perfect case of cause and effect. You are a “Fat Apologist.” I know, it's much easier when you can say, “it's not my fault, I was born that way.”
Over time the oral medications that stimulate the pancreas to produce more and more insulin to reduce glucose or blood sugar levels becomes les and less effective, and the overworked pancreas begins to become less and less capable of producing that insulin. After a number of years the fattened pancreas can no longer produce enough insulin to reduce the blood sugar levels even with the oral medications. At that point the physicians prescribe exogenous insulin be used by the diabetic patient to reduce those blood sugar levels. Again, over time the insulin level becomes less and less effective. The symptoms associated with diabetes become worse. The spiral ends in premature death.
The high insulin levels cause the regulatory hormones to store unburned glucose as fat instead of burning fat. Some of the fat gets stored in the liver and the pancreas. When oral diabetic medications squeeze more insulin out of the pancreas and exogenous insulin is injected, the additional insulin causes even more fats into the liver and the pancreas making their conditions even more worse despite lowering the blood sugars for awhile.
Breaking the vicious cycle requires removing the glucose to lower the insulin, begin burning fat instead of storing fat, reduce the fat in the liver and pancreas back to normal levels, which restores the normal or near normal functioning of the liver and pancreas, which lowers blood sugars to normal levels, which reduces weight indefinitely so long as the diet no longer includes excessive amounts of carbohydrates and/or protein. Its a nutritional problem which requires extraordinary measures to reverse and restore normal metabolic functions.
“Explain this: A person with normal weight does not have high blood pressure or “type 2â€diabetes.”
That is totally false.
There are many Type II diabetics who have virtually normal weight for many years, unlike most Type II diabetics, because their genetics can adequately adjust the fat burning hormones for a prolonged time before succumbing to the metabolic syndrome and weight gains.
Type II diabetics often have normal blood pressure, and no high blood pressure for decades of time. I know, because I have never had high blood pressure, and I know many more like myself who never had high blood pressure.
“The normal person then eats too much of the wrong foods and fails to remain physically active. The person then acquires high BP and “Type2†diabetes.
Seems like a perfect case of cause and effect. You are a “Fat Apologist.†I know, it’s much easier when you can say, “it’s not my fault, I was born that way.—
Once again you are just digging your hole deeper and displaying your willful ignorance of the subject for everyone to see. Try listening to the story of an endurance athlete, lifelong proponent of healthy nutrition, medical physician, and the first man to ever swim the sea channel between Oahu Island and Maui Island in the Hawaiian Islands on the same day. He too ignorantly took the same myth you keep repeating and blamed the victims he was responsible for when performing autopsies, until it happened to him too. It was not until he too faced the same challenges as other people with metabolic syndrome and Type II diabetes that he realized the true nature of the disease and the lies and myths surrounding Type II diabetes was keeping people like himself from coping properly with the problem. See:
Peter Attia - An Advantaged Metabolic State: Human Performance, Resilience & Health
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3363270/posts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqwvcrA7oe8
Nutritional Health Series, Part 7
The Two Big Lies of Type 2 Diabetes
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3357797/posts
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 1 of 6: A New Hope
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3360044/posts
Nutritional Health Series, Part 12
The Aetiology of Obesity Part 2 of 6: The New Science of Diabesity
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3360056/posts
Nutritional Health Series, Part 20
How Bad Science and Big Business Created the Obesity Epidemic
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3360307/posts
That has not been my experience. My morning blood glucose levels had been in the 180 range and in the evening, around 140. I lost 30 lb., and as I shed the weight, my blood glucose levels dropped almost proportionately. I now test around 115 in the morning and 100 in the evening.
That was a generalized statement. There are a variety of confounding factors which can obscure what is going on. For example, was this while you were on or off of the diabetic medication/s?
I have never taken diabetic medications. But after years of trying to control my blood glucose with diet and exercise, my blood sugar spiked over a period of six months and my doctor was about to prescribe medication. That’s when I decided to go on a diet (I have always exercised so that was not an issue).
That sounds very similar to the metabolic syndrome creeping up on you. Most diabetics have gone through such phases. In one of these periods I lost some 40 Lbs. of weight and even some inches on the waist line. Unfortunately, I was losing most of my muscle mass while doing so. This was just prior to being diagnosed with diabetic retinopathy and discovering for the first time that my blood glucose went to 600 mg/dL. Oral medication immediately reduced the blood glucose to 75-140 mg/dL. Over the years, however, the medication has become less and less effective.
After reducing carbohydrate intake from 100-150 mg/day to less than 20 mg/day, reducing protein to ~75 mg/day, and going into nutritional ketosis, the blood sugars went on a downward trend from ~189-220 mg/dL on oral medication to 149 mg/dL with no diabetic medication within one month.
Listen to the experience of Dr. Peter Attia, an endurance athlete and medical physician:
Peter Attia - An Advantaged Metabolic State: Human Performance, Resilience & Health
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3363270/posts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqwvcrA7oe8
Thanks for the info. An important part of my exercise routine is weight training so as to minimize the loss of muscle mass. Also, I most definitely watch the carbos and try to keep the daily consumption under eight servings a day (120 grams), and even then, I stay away from “white” foods and stick to low carb fruits and green vegetables.
You seem intent on drowning out common sense with a tsunami of information that supports your need to deflect responsibility for obesity from the individual.
I am not impressed that you can find a few skinny people who have “metabolic syndrome.” It doesnt change the fact that fat people do it to themselves through poor eating habits. Just too obvious to deny.
“Just too obvious to deny.”
Like most self delusions and delusional people, you confuse mythology for commonsense. It is a trait commonly found among Democrats. Unfortunately for your claims of commonsense, the science and medical evidence for the etiology/aetiology of metabolic syndrome and diabetes are undeniable, and the nutritional remedy for them has been in use for more than a century with effective results. What has proven ineffective is the post 1950 and post 1977 nutritional mythology you are trying to claim is supposed to be commonsense. We now have the biochemical evidence and reasons why this more recent mythological low fat diet is behind the unprecedented epidemic levels of obesity, diabetes, Parkinson’s Disease, dementia, Altzheimer’s Disease, Multiple Sclerosis (MS), assorted other neurological disorders, and congestive heart failure (CHF). Stick your head in the ground in denial of the medical facts, but don’t expect us to agree with your bigoted views about all obese people, many of whom have been deceived into accepting your mythological beliefs about a balanced diet only to discover the hard way they are a cruel lie and deception.
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