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The Old School Flunks the Papelbon-Harper Question
Throneberry Fields Forever ^ | 28 September 2015 | Yours Truly

Posted on 09/29/2015 10:16:41 AM PDT by BluesDuke

From your ancient baseball history, 1949 to be specific, a little story: In his third major league season, a still very young Yogi Berra has been the target of much veteran needling. Part of it has been due to his squat, homely appearance. But sometimes it has nothing to do with his appearance and everything to do with continuing the young man’s baseball education.

Berra has impressed his manager, coaches, and teammates alike with his willingness to listen, learn, listen more, and learn more, but never mind. One fine day he lofts a short pop to center field that falls in for a base hit. The next Yankee hitter, alas, forces him out at second, followed by two fly outs to end the inning.

Veteran Charlie Keller, who didn’t get the nickname King Kong because he was anything resembling movie-star handsome, but who was a respected Yankee veteran, approaches Berra to talk about the inning sequence before Yogi straps on his catcher’s gear to re-take the field.

“You feeling alright?” Keller asks.

“Yeah, why?” Berra replies, with no disrespect implied.

“You didn’t run on that ball you hit,” Keller continues, gently but firmly. “If you did, you could have made it to second, and the ground ball and the [first] fly ball would have scored you.”

The story was told by Yankee pitcher Eddie Lopat to Casey Stengel’s biographer Robert Creamer. His point was that much of the ribbing Berra took from the Yankee veterans was indeed a way of teaching him. About the worst Yogi received after that pop single was a chilly stare from Joe DiMaggio.

Not one of those Yankees thought it would have been appropriate to try teaching him about hustle by way of putting him through the dugout wall in a choke hold.

Remember that whenever you read any of the nonsense about the old schoolers who think Jonathan Papelbon was perfectly in the right to go for the throat in a bid to remind Bryce Harper about hustle. But add to that the commentary from Mark DeRosa, a sixteen-year major league veteran who now works as an MLB Network commentator:

Here’s my problem with Jonathan Papelbon. You’ve played 63 innings this year. You’ve been in the clubhouse probably— every closer I’ve ever been with— through the fifth inning getting a rubdown, eatin’ a sandwich, doing your Jobe exercises, takin’ your time. You’ve earned that right. His pedigree—he’s earned the right to do that. That’s the way [John Smoltz] went about it. All the great closers I played with, they’re not gonna get down there in the first inning. You’re top-stepping a guy who’s played in 1,262 innings, who’s hitting .336 with 41 homers, is gonna be the National League MVP and you’re questioning whether or not he goes to the post every day. That’s tired, OK? No reliever should tell a position player anything about hustle. Go stand out there in the rain, sleet, and snow while you guys are giving up gap shots. That bothered me.

Apparently, there turned out to be someone in the Washington Nationals’ hierarchy who does have eyes and a spine, who doesn’t think it’s proper for one player to try choking a teammate, never mind the franchise player, regardless of the actual or alleged crime in question.

Papelbon’s season is over. The Nats suspended him for four games without pay, to be served after he serves a three-game suspension without pay courtesy of baseball government. The latter—incurred after Papelbon threw twice at the head of Orioles’ Manny Machado last week—began Monday, after Papelbon elected not to continue his appeal. Which was probably the most, if not the only intelligent decision he’s made since becoming a Nat in the first place.

With apologies to the late Bob Murphy, back with the unhappy recap:

Bryce Harper popped out to shallow left leading off the Nationals’ eighth Sunday afternoon. He fumed in disgust for a moment before dropping his bat and trotting to first base anyway. Then he turned to return to the dugout. As he arrived, Papelbon on the top step snapped at him, apparently to run it [the expletive] out. Harper snapped back as he descended the steps and reached the dugout floor.

Maybe he did or didn’t say words to the effect of “bring it on,” but from the dugout steps Papelbon lunged at Harper, slamming him to the dugout wall with his hands on the outfielder’s throat. It took several Nats including coach Rick Schu to pry Harper away.

Nothing out of Harper’s mouth can justify Papelbon putting him into a choke hold. Or, for that matter, docking Harper a game, which is what inept Nats manager Matt Williams turns out to have called Harper’s pre-scheduled off day Monday against the Reds. (Harper at least had one of the best seats in the house while Max Scherzer got to within five outs of no-hitting the Reds.)

“He was involved in it,” Williams told reporters. “He said something to Jonathan and he played a part in the incident.” That’s from the man who didn’t even see the damn fight until he saw video postgame.

Papelbon opened his mouth first, Harper replied, Papelbon apparently continued, and Harper snapped back. Then came the choke hold and slam. A relief pitcher who thinks it’s kosher to throw twice at the head of a guy who took another pitcher over the fence a couple of innings earlier is in no position to be playing field or dugout sheriff.

After Harper disappeared into the Nats’ clubhouse following the scrum, Papelbon could be seen leaning against the dugout rail with a pronounced smirk on his face. The sad sack Phillies, the team that dealt him to the Nats in the first place in July, were only too happy to wipe that smirk off his face, which is exactly what they did when, inexplicably, he was allowed to start the ninth and surrendered a tie-breaking two-run homer. To a no-name named Andres Blanco.

(And is it more than just a little coincidental that Papelbon decided to teach Harper a dubious lesson just a couple of days after Harper publicly described as “tired” Papelbon’s throwing twice at the head of Machado, whose heinous crime was to hit a two-run homer off Scherzer that turned a 3-2 Nats lead into a 4-3 Nats deficit?)

Williams just looks more clueless by the hour, which is a shame to say about a man who was a fine player and has been an accommodating sort publicly since he became the Nats’ manager. Unfortunately he’s also a man who’s likely to go to the guillotine at just about the moment the Nats’ sad season finally ends.

Let’s be straight up: Nobody is arguing against hustle. Harper’s been lectured in the past about hustle—by his coaches and his managers. But have we lost count of how many times players become so disgusted with popping out that they, too, have fumed, dropped the bat, and trotted to first base instead of going supersonic?

Bet on it. If Harper had gone Road Runner up the line in that instance only to turn up with a pulled hamstring (he’s had issues with the hammies in the past, folks), the same fools hammering him for not “hustling” the Sunday pop would be hammering him for overdoing himself into an injury on a measly popup.

The way a lot of the old-schoolers (mostly anonymous, and you can look that up) weighed in in supporting Papelbon, you’d think Harper was practically the only player in baseball who ever trotted up the line on a leadoff pop out even Marv Throneberry wouldn’t drop.

Why wouldn’t you ask a player with known, on-the-record leg and knee issues to save the jets for something that might mean something substantial—like maybe a chance to turn a single into a double, a double into a triple, or beating out a grounder deep in the hole for a base hit?

I’ve seen Harper do such things. Including missing a third of 2014 after fracturing his thumb sliding into third base while turning a double into a three-run triple. Come to think of it, I’ve seen him get hurt crashing into outfield walls making plays. And, since when can you lead the league in runs scored, on-base percentage, OPS, OPS+, and wins above a replacement-level player, which are exactly where Harper leads the National League at this writing, if you’re dogging it?

(In case you were wondering, Bryce Harper this season is the Nats' leader in taking the extra base with a 57.1 percent rate, sixteenth among National League position players with 400+ plate appearances. You still want to accuse him of a lack of hustle?)

Papelbon could easily have done nothing more than ask Harper why he didn’t bust it up the line, and if Harper chose to bark back a little more vociferously, you’d think an eleven-year veteran would be mature enough not to think the appropriate response should be two hands around the throat.

Especially not on a team whom the same know-nothings supporting Papelbon for upholding the old school—which surely wasn’t the old school of Charlie Keller, Yogi Berra, and the Stengel-dynastic Yankees—might otherwise accuse of a big pennant race choke in the year the experts, actual or alleged, predicted they would go all the way to the World Series.


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: baseball; bryceharper; jonathanpapelbon; washingtonnationals
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To: pgkdan
I think Mike Rizzo has some very loud music to face in the off season. Letting Clippard go was bad enough but then destroying Drew Storen's psyche, again, by demoting him when he was the only bright spot in that dark hole of a bullpen is the last straw for me. Storen was 29 for 31 in save situations! You perform like that and then get demoted?
Indeed.

And it gets even worse, if you can believe that. From this morning's Washington Post I find this:

Williams was asked at length about this week’s dugout unpleasantness, mostly repeating answers he had given previously. He said he doesn’t know or have an opinion on whether Jonathan Papelbon will be on the roster next season, that the organization has taken steps to make sure he would be better informed during a future incident, and that this episode shouldn’t define the team. He also declined to discuss what Harper said in the dugout after the fight, what coaches told him in real time, and whether the incident had roots in the Manny Machado business.

Near the end of the interview, Williams was asked about the “punishment” levied against Harper, who was held out of Monday’s lineup for his role in the Papelbon scuffle but was not formally suspended. Prompted by fans, who have largely taken Harper’s side, [radio host Eric]Bickel asked Williams what Harper could have done differently in the incident to avoid a reprimand from the organization.

“I don’t know. I don’t know what he could have done differently,” Williams said. “The fact of the matter is, that’s an organizational decision. And I don’t know. There’s no good that comes out of any [situation] like that, right? So a skirmish is something we don’t want. That type of behavior from Pap is unacceptable. All of those things we talked about.

“So what could he have done differently? Don’t know,” Williams said. “But he was involved, and the organization decided to do that. So it’s over, it’s done, we have a season to finish, and Bryce will have a fantastic career."

Note the phrasings.

The organisation will keep Williams better informed about things in his own dugout that he should be on top of no matter what he's seeing out on the field?!?

Williams is still sticking to his story about benching Harper for his "involvement" in the Sunday scrum on a day that Harper was originally scheduled to have a day off in the first place?!?

Rizzo and Williams are turning into the Abbott and Costello of baseball and they're not even half as funny. And they don't have a clue who's on first, either.

41 posted on 09/30/2015 11:23:03 AM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: chajin

Well, he was traded because he’s gonna be a free agent and the Rays have no wanting to spend the money it’ll take to sign him. Shields was always an up and down pitcher, some great years, some awful. Davis was a starter. He only found success after moving to the bullpen. Hellickson is getting shellacked in Arizona to the tune of a 4.6 ERA.


42 posted on 09/30/2015 11:56:33 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Trump/Cruz 2016)
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To: BluesDuke
Rizzo and Williams are turning into the Abbott and Costello of baseball and they're not even half as funny. And they don't have a clue who's on first, either.

LOL....very good one.

I agree about the two of them...they're making fools of themselves. They're already in too deep, time to stop digging.

43 posted on 09/30/2015 12:09:08 PM PDT by pgkdan (But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Personal Responsibility
Hellickson is getting shellacked in Arizona to the tune of a 4.6 ERA.

True; I feel sorry for the guy. He was "this close" to being a really good pitcher as our third starter in 2014, and he may still cross that line next season. Nice personality, not a conceited bone in his body, which is a pleasant surprise given his achievements to date (e.g., starter in the 2010 Futures game). He also had the bad luck to be pitching opposite Felix Hernandez when the latter perfect-gamed the Rays; Hellie only gave up one run in seven innings that day, ended up with the loss. At least he's making good money (around $5 mil) in AZ, and my Tempe-residing son gets to see him.

44 posted on 09/30/2015 12:44:20 PM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: pgkdan
Barry Svlurga of the Washington Post has just presented a full description of, essentially, the case to can Williams . . . and Rizzo. Don't let the title fool you. Papelbon may have been one solvent but the rot goes deeper . . . and with Rizzo defending Williams until the bitter end, it makes Rizzo look just as bad as Williams looks.

In Jonathan Papelbon, Nationals got their closer---and their kiss of death.

45 posted on 09/30/2015 2:13:28 PM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: BluesDuke
Wow! What a great article. Things were worse with Matty than I thought.

I wish Desmond had signed that contract. I really believe his struggles this year came from pressing too hard because it was his FA year. Shame.

46 posted on 09/30/2015 8:36:28 PM PDT by pgkdan (But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: chajin

Seems like a good kid but he needs a put-away pitch and/or better control to really succeed. He has the pedigree so writing him off as “can’t do it in the Majors” is silly (look at Jake Arrieta) but he definitely does need something to change.


47 posted on 09/30/2015 8:36:38 PM PDT by Personal Responsibility (Trump/Cruz 2016)
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To: pgkdan
Desmond isn't the first player who pressed a) in his walk year, or b) upon signing a big new deal trying to live up to the deal. I can remember Hall of Famer Mike Schmidt having a bad (for him) season right after signing his first big big deal, and he admitted later he was trying too hard to live up to it.
48 posted on 10/01/2015 12:54:58 PM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: BluesDuke

Werth struggled mightily his year here. I used to sit in section 126...the boos were pretty loud every time he struck out.


49 posted on 10/01/2015 12:56:27 PM PDT by pgkdan (But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Personal Responsibility
- in a fit of frustration - he punched a wall and broke his hand. This Nats team was supposed to demolish the NL East. Rizzo and Williams both need to go.

He didn't punch a wall and he didn't break his hand. He slammed his locker door closed and hit his thumb on the metal latch. He broke a bone in his thumb. If I'd given up 4 walks and 3 runs in less than a third of an inning to help blow a 7-1 lead...I'd probably slam my locker door too.

50 posted on 10/01/2015 1:01:01 PM PDT by pgkdan (But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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