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The Old School Flunks the Papelbon-Harper Question
Throneberry Fields Forever ^ | 28 September 2015 | Yours Truly

Posted on 09/29/2015 10:16:41 AM PDT by BluesDuke

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Note: On Monday, a rather sharply-observant reporter at the Nats-Reds game spotted a team store display showing two Papelbon jerseys next to a pair of Harpers. When the reporter returned to the team store a short while later, the Papelbon jerseys were taken down in favour of a pair of Stephen Strasburgs . . . and the store inside was removing any and all Papelbon merchandise as fast as they could get it out of there.

There were also reports that Nats fans were offering to make donations to any charity the team designated in exchange for getting Papelbon off the team.

Papelbon became a Nat in the first place because general manager Mike Rizzo thought the solution to the team's actual mid-season needs---namely, a little offensive fortification and some bullpen help for the middle innings---was to deal for a disgruntled Phillies closer who put a gun to the heads of any team that might deal for him, saying he wouldn't go unless he was named the closer . . . even though the Nats at that moment had a re-established closer---who had 29 saves in 31 tries, a 1.73 ERA, and one run surrendered in 36 1/3 innings before the Papelbon acquisition.

So much for "Natitude." Leave it to a jackass like Jonathan Papelbon and a clueless soul like Matt Williams (a fine, smart player in his day but as far over his head as a manager as His Excellency Al-Hashish Field Marshmallow Dr. Barack Obama Dada, COD, RIP, LSMFT, Would-Be Life President of the Republic Formerly Known as the United States is in the White House) to be sure people would spend less time talking about things like the Mets winning the National League East the right way, the National League West going just about down to the wire with Clayton Kershaw v. Madison Bumgarner tonight possibly deciding the title for the Dodgers, the National League Central's jockeying for division title and wild cards (not to mention Jake Arrieta prying his way into the National League's Cy Young Award race---and his Cubs going to the postseason, period), the American League West's sudden intrigue with the Angels and the Rangers reviving themselves just in time to make both that division race and the league wild card race even more interesting, and the Royals taking the AL Central title while the Blue Jays and the Empire Emeritus slug it out for the AL East . . .

1 posted on 09/29/2015 10:16:41 AM PDT by BluesDuke
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To: BluesDuke

Baseball has the biggest prima donnas in team sports...from owners, managers, players to umpires. It’s also boring, especially live. IMHO.


2 posted on 09/29/2015 10:19:30 AM PDT by GSWarrior (Click HERE to skip this tag line.)
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To: GSWarrior
Baseball has the biggest prima donnas in team sports...from owners, managers, players to umpires . . .
Except for all the others. ;)
3 posted on 09/29/2015 10:23:15 AM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: BluesDuke
“You didn’t run on that ball you hit,” Keller continues, gently but firmly. “If you did, you could have made it to second,

How in the heck does a short pop dropping in to center field allow ANY runner to get to second base. Any center fielder could throw out a runner trying to stretch a short base hit to center.

4 posted on 09/29/2015 10:25:42 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: BluesDuke

One of the coolest people I’ve encountered in major league sports is now retired NASCAR driver Kenny Wallace. He’s a fun follow on twitter.

Miguel Cabrera is obviously one of the biggest names in baseball but is really cool with fans. Always chatting it up with people in the stands. This was really cool.

Fan heckles Cabrera and is rewarded was a ball and bat.

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/videos/fan-heckles-miguel-cabrera-gets-awarded-with-bat/


5 posted on 09/29/2015 10:31:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: GSWarrior
Baseball has the biggest prima donnas in team sports

Become a Rays fan. Prima donnas don't last long on the team--and what's more, when they go elsewhere for more money (Carl Crawford, Melvin Upton Jr.), their careers usually crater.

6 posted on 09/29/2015 10:31:28 AM PDT by chajin ("There is no other name under heaven given among people by which we must be saved." Acts 4:12)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yes, that was a weird aspect of that story, I couldn’t make total sense of. Maybe it was right at the foul line in right and so would have been a long throw and if Berra had really been motoring he could have beaten the throw?


7 posted on 09/29/2015 10:34:04 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Yes, that was a weird aspect of that story, I couldn’t make total sense of. Maybe it was right at the foul line in right and so would have been a long throw and if Berra had really been motoring he could have beaten the throw?


8 posted on 09/29/2015 10:34:04 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
How in the heck does a short pop dropping in to center field allow ANY runner to get to second base. Any center fielder could throw out a runner trying to stretch a short base hit to center.

I've seen hitters take second on pops like that. Especially if, like Berra, they're power hitters known to hit to all parts of the park and thus have center fielders playing them a little more deep than normal. (Yogi had shown very early in his career that he could hit.) It's actually not that difficult, with that kind of fielder positioning, to take an extra base on a high pop like that if it falls in for a hit and you're gunning it up the baseline.

9 posted on 09/29/2015 10:34:59 AM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Quote:

“How in the heck does a short pop dropping in to center field allow ANY runner to get to second base. Any center fielder could throw out a runner trying to stretch a short base hit to center. “

Happens all the time. It’s called putting pressure on the other team’s defense. Aggressive base-running is very effective. If the pop-fly is high enough a good runner can be rounding first base by the time the ball lands.

The fielder, seeing this, often overruns the ball or rushes his throw resulting in an error. I’ve seen runners end up on third base from a “Texas Leaguer” to centerfield.


10 posted on 09/29/2015 10:36:57 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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To: cripplecreek
You remind me of a story I read some time ago involving Don Landrum, a nondescript outfielder of the 1960s. When Landrum became a Cub, a couple of the Wrigley bleacher bums decided to make his life miserable for who knew what reason. It drove Landrum slightly nuts until he took matters into their own hands and blew them to assorted souvenirs, bric-a-brac, and even lunch at the ballpark or whatever.

Those fans became huge Landrum fans. The problem was, while they were crawling all over him Landrum went on a tear. When he made peace with them, his hitting suffered. Only the Cubs . . .

11 posted on 09/29/2015 10:37:46 AM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: chajin

I have no explanation for Upton but Crawford was dogged by injuries. (One remembers sadly that, during his rather disheartening tenure with the Red Sox, he admitted to trying to play through severe pain rather than deal with then-manager Bobby Valentine possibly riding him as a quitter.)


12 posted on 09/29/2015 10:38:50 AM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
How in the heck does a short pop dropping in to center field allow ANY runner to get to second base.
Especially a catcher with Yogi's stature.
13 posted on 09/29/2015 10:41:18 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
Berra was actually a very good baserunner in his younger years. He didn't steal bases much---it wasn't the Yankees' style of play---but he was good and intelligent on the bases. Outfielders defending him respected his power and often tended to play him deeper than normal, and he could have exploited that on a shallow pop and gotten a double out of it.
14 posted on 09/29/2015 10:48:16 AM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: BluesDuke
I am not a baseball or sports nut by any stretch but this was a good article and I am glad I read the whole thing... Though, I gotta say, as a smoker of Lucky Strikes for 20+ years, I take offense to using "LSMFT" as a descriptive term in your comment for The One.

I will just accept that it is used in the "Hey, Reggie, "Let's Screw, My Finger's Tired" sense, or "Leftist Sexes/Male, Female, Trannies"

15 posted on 09/29/2015 10:50:02 AM PDT by Rodamala
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Though, I gotta say, as a smoker of Lucky Strikes for 20+ years, I take offense to using "LSMFT" as a descriptive term in your comment for The One.
I smoked Luckies for a decade myself. I couldn't think of another five-letter acronym to use in the satirical sense I was thinking of. ;)
16 posted on 09/29/2015 10:53:44 AM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: BluesDuke
Berra was actually a very good baserunner in his younger years.
I grew up in the NYC area in the 50s and 60s. Saw the Yankees play at the stadium many times - saw them on TV every day. Mickey Mantle was "fleet of foot," Yogi was not.

17 posted on 09/29/2015 11:02:22 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: BluesDuke

From a distance, as a Dodger fan, I’ve never liked Papelbon, but I didn’t really have a concrete reason for my dislike—he just gave me the creeps. Now, I do.


18 posted on 09/29/2015 11:08:36 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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To: oh8eleven
I didn't say Berra was "fleet of foot," I'm saying he knew what he was doing on the bases and if you know what you're doing out there you can take an extra base in certain situations. I've seen the fastest runners in the game get thrown out because they didn't know what they were doing otherwise.
19 posted on 09/29/2015 11:10:19 AM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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To: Hebrews 11:6
From a distance, as a Dodger fan, I’ve never liked Papelbon, but I didn’t really have a concrete reason for my dislike—he just gave me the creeps. Now, I do.
Papelbon was actually a fun kind of character when he was with the Red Sox and helping them win the 2007 World Series. I think he changed when he went to Philadelphia as a free agent and the Phillies---to his surprise (he's talked about it in the past)---absolutely cratered, getting old too fast and falling to the pits, while he was there, and he let it embitter himself.

It doesn't excuse what he did to Bryce Harper, of course, but Jonathan Papelbon was once a rather entertaining fellow.

20 posted on 09/29/2015 11:14:00 AM PDT by BluesDuke (BluesDuke'll be back on the same corner in front of the cigar store . . .)
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