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Bikers, as a rule, are not fools... many of them having served in war, and many more having experienced less than favorable treatment with law enforcement... This guy was sharp enough to be uncomfortable with what he saw as a flanking movement by the Bandidos - It seems incredibly unlikely to me that he and others would not be just as keenly aware of those LEO positions, and their very qualified dominance over the battlefield in that parking lot.

IF there was intention on the biker’s part, from either side, it seems pretty short-sighted to continue without sending scouts to position in such a way as to counter that effective dominance, because otherwise, any idiot would be able to predict the ensuing turkey-shoot...

It is far more likely that any such premeditated action would be called off to await a day with better odds. I know that if I had rolled up there, and saw such a presence, my radar would be screaming at me, and I would have rolled right on by (as proven on several occasions in my life). It makes no sense at all.

Glad to hear from you. I'll go back and listen again, but I heard him remarking that LE was NOT all that nearby as he arrived. And that he could not visually locate the source of the incoming. Which lends credence that the Fed were deployed (on Don Carlos roof?) ready and itching to rock and roll. Autopsy reports listed many downward trajectories.

Was there an agent provocateur involved? I dunno and can't and won't construct a theory based on so many still unknowns.

My hope that Federal LE is not completely corrupted grows dimmer every day.

” It seems incredibly unlikely to me that he and others would not be just as keenly aware of those LEO positions, and their very qualified dominance over the battlefield in that parking lot.”

He said that he did not expect trouble from the Bandidos as he had observed the police ‘had them covered’. He was KEENLY aware of the police presence.

“IF there was intention on the biker’s part, from either side, it seems pretty short-sighted to continue without sending scouts to position in such a way as to counter that effective dominance, because otherwise, any idiot would be able to predict the ensuing turkey-shoot...

The Bandidos DID station ‘scouts’ all around the restaurant.

“It is far more likely that any such premeditated action would be called off to await a day with better odds.”

Premeditation? Their president was dissed and over twenty Cossacks come charging at them! Too late to ‘await a day with better odds’.

Besides, they got eight Cossacks dead. Cossack club is ruined but the Bandidos will continue to ride.

It is not about who lives or dies but what colors are on the road.

Good post. Another thing confirmed in this report, and the single most curious factor in the case of what went on that day is that this man saw police positions going in... It has never made any sense to me that a premeditated and intentional rumble would go forward within a virtual fishbowl with LEOs around the perimeter.

Nor that an unexpected and lethal outbreak of unchecked ego would take place in such circumstances, thanks to your next point:

Bikers, as a rule, are not fools... many of them having served in war, and many more having experienced less than favorable treatment with law enforcement... This guy was sharp enough to be uncomfortable with what he saw as a flanking movement by the Bandidos - It seems incredibly unlikely to me that he and others would not be just as keenly aware of those LEO positions, and their very qualified dominance over the battlefield in that parking lot.

It smells.

IF there was intention on the biker’s part, from either side, it seems pretty short-sighted to continue without sending scouts to position in such a way as to counter that effective dominance, because otherwise, any idiot would be able to predict the ensuing turkey-shoot...

And such scouting is ridiculous to depend upon. When an enemy has unqualified battlefield dominance, and unlimited resources in either engagement or pursuit, you don't try to beat it. It simply makes no sense as a serendipitous outcome.

It is far more likely that any such premeditated action would be called off to await a day with better odds. I know that if I had rolled up there, and saw such a presence, my radar would be screaming at me, and I would have rolled right on by (as proven on several occasions in my life). It makes no sense at all.

I also. You don't survive past your twenties without developing some sort of survival radar. If you are on a motorcycle often you learn quickly not to squid around. If you are a veteran, you also learn not to be stupid when arrayed forces are determinative. And all three put together tends to obviate the outcome we saw on May 17th.

There is a full story, that much is a given. Ultimately more will come out.

“It has never made any sense to me that a premeditated and intentional rumble would go forward within a virtual fishbowl with LEOs around the perimeter.

Bikers, as a rule, are not fools... “

Biker gangs have rumbled right in front of cops plenty of times in the past. They just don’t give a damn.