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To: DiogenesLamp

From an American point of view, we were justified in declaring our independence from George III. From an American Constitutional point of view, the Confederate declarations of secession from the United States were unconstitutional.

There is no hypocrisy from the American point of view. Only if one places human slavery above the stated ideals of 1776 does this become an issue.


4 posted on 06/22/2015 4:32:28 PM PDT by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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To: iowamark

“From an American Constitutional point of view, the Confederate declarations of secession from the United States were unconstitutional.”

Show me where in the U.S. Constitution of 1861 that secession was unconstitutional, or illegal.


6 posted on 06/22/2015 4:55:40 PM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: iowamark
The Confederate Constitution codified slavery.
9 posted on 06/22/2015 5:37:26 PM PDT by jmacusa
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To: iowamark
From an American point of view, we were justified in declaring our independence from George III.

As we explained with this bit of text.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

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From an American Constitutional point of view, the Confederate declarations of secession from the United States were unconstitutional.

Only if you don't comprehend the meaning of the above text taken from the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution acquired it's authority from the Declaration (our founding document) and not the other way around. The principles embedded in the Declaration override those of the US Constitution.

As the Declaration enshrined the principle that people had a right to break from England, then it most certainly enshrined the principle that people have a right to break from a far lesser established government.

There is no hypocrisy from the American point of view.

I just pointed it out.

Only if one places human slavery above the stated ideals of 1776 does this become an issue.

You mean as every single State did in 1776-1787? They were ALL slave states. Obviously they didn't intend for the Declaration to apply to slaves, else they would have freed them when they wrote it. Not even Thomas Jefferson did this.

The Hypocrisy is glaring.

12 posted on 06/22/2015 6:11:27 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp
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To: iowamark
From an American Constitutional point of view, the Confederate declarations of secession from the United States were unconstitutional.

Could you tell me the specific article and section concerning secession. Thanks, I will be waiting, for ever.

38 posted on 06/25/2015 2:26:46 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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