[DiogenesLamp]

Preserving the United States was not noble?

To the same degree as preserving the United Kingdom.

My understanding is that the right of self determination was the founding principle of this nation. It seems that our government had forgotten this by the time of the Civil War.

[Partisan Gunslinger]

To the same degree as preserving the United Kingdom.

I have nothing against those who fought to preserve the United Kingdom. That was a noble cause too.

My understanding is that the right of self determination was the founding principle of this nation. It seems that our government had forgotten this by the time of the Civil War.

The right to self-determination became preempted by the attack on Fort Sumter.