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Remember when Jim Bob Duggar said incest should be punishable by death?
suntimes.com ^ | 26 May 2015 | Scott Sutton

Posted on 05/26/2015 7:39:34 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: the_daug

The move to expunge the record is not a sealed document.


81 posted on 05/27/2015 8:12:24 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (Baltimore needs more Armed Koreans)
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To: Kazan

I’m not saying that makes him a pedophile. I’m just saying a 15 year molesting a 4 year is a different animal than a 7 year old looking at the privates of a 2 year old.


82 posted on 05/27/2015 8:14:52 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl (Baltimore needs more Armed Koreans)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

yes. Records that are sealed can be expunged. This record was expunged rather quickly though. Why? Juvenile and adult law is different too. This report was started by a letter found in a borrowed book by a 4th party after Josh was 18? Police were not prevented from charging Josh rape has no statue of limitations. Why wasn’t he charged? Josh’s actions were not considered rape? The trauma to the victims going to court would exceed what Josh did? If there was a Juvenile record and it had been expunged It would explain some questions.


83 posted on 05/27/2015 9:53:11 PM PDT by the_daug
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To: Morgana
Those boys in Stubenville, ohio got two years for raping that girl.

1) They were older, almost adults and 2) there is a difference between rape and what Duggar did.

Yes CPS should have come in because their parents did not think much of those girls to get them counseling.

Maybe they thought enough of them not to put them through a trial and all the media scrutiny that would go with it. It is often stressful to put victims through that.

84 posted on 05/27/2015 11:23:55 PM PDT by Kazan
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He should also be put on the sex offender registry.

That's ridiculous. Young teens that do that may be troubled but most do NOT grow up and become pedophiles.

You keep acting like an expert on the topic but you're not:

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-01-07/child-sex-abuse/52431616/1

Basic data about child-on-child sex abuse is detailed in an authoritative, Justice Department-sponsored analysis of crime data from 29 states. Conducted by three prominent researchers, the 2009 analysis found that juveniles accounted for 35.6% of the people identified by police as having committed sex offenses against minors.

Of these young offenders, 93% were male, and the peak ages for offending were 12 through 14, the researchers found. Of the victims, 59% were younger than 12 and 75% were female.

The report referred to a popular misconception that juvenile sex offenders are likely to reoffend, and said numerous studies over the years have shown the opposite — that 85 to 95% of offending youth are never again arrested for sex crimes.

University of Oklahoma pediatrics professor Mark Chaffin, a co-author of the 2009 report, says efforts to deal constructively with juvenile sex offenders are complicated by the tendency of some legislators and others to lump them together with adult sexual predators.

"That used to be the message — that we should apply the template from what we know about adult pedophilia," Chaffin said. "Now that the data has shown most of those assumptions were wrong, it's difficult to undo those messages that people in the advocacy and treatment fields were putting out a generation ago."

Experts say the young offenders differ from adult sex offenders not only in their lower recidivism rates, but in the diversity of their motives and abusive behavior. While some youths commit violent, premeditated acts of sexual assault and rape, others get in trouble for behavior arising from curiosity, naivete, peer pressure, momentary irresponsibility, misinterpretation of what they believed was mutual interest, and a host of other reasons. Some cases involve sibling incest; sometimes the offenders have autism or other developmental disorders that lessen their ability to self-police inappropriate conduct.

"There needs to be a highly discriminative response system," said sociologist David Finkelhor, director of the University of New Hampshire's Crimes Against Children Research Center. "It needs to differentiate between the kids we should stigmatize as little as possible, who are probably going to be fine with some kind of education, and others who need a lot of intervention, including maybe incarceration, because they pose a tremendous risk."

"We run a big risk if we get it wrong," he added. "We fail to protect the public on one hand, or we ruin the lives of young people who might otherwise be headed in a healthy direction."

In most cases of child-on-child sex abuse, the public never hears about it. Experts say many incidents are never reported in the first place, due to the shame or embarrassment of victims and their parents, and most of the cases that are reported are handled confidentially through the juvenile justice system.

85 posted on 05/27/2015 11:32:09 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Bodleian_Girl
. I’m just saying a 15 year molesting a 4 year is a different animal than a 7 year old looking at the privates of a 2 year old.

And, both are different than an adult doing the same thing.

The difference between Duggar and Dunham, though, is Duggar admits he did something wrong and Dunham doesn't think she did.

86 posted on 05/27/2015 11:33:58 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: MrEdd
We have Freepers who insist groping young girls genitalia isn’t sexual. Evidently some folks insist there isn’t sin.

Child psychologists are the ones that say the behavior is often not sexual. Thus, the reason the recidivism rate for children that do this is so low.

Even if it is not sexual, doesn't mean the act isn't sinful. Obviously, it is inappropriate and troubling behavior whatever the motive.

But, Duggar say he realizes he was wrong and been forgiven by God. Who in the world are you to play God, claim otherwise and continue to condemn him.

If Duggar and his sisters are being truthful (that Josh has repented and they have forgiven him and put the incident behind them, THEN YOU ARE THE ONE that has a lot to answer for before God.

The whole theme of the men that wrote the Bible is redemption. Many that wrote the Bible did things worse than what Duggar did and still were forgiven and fought the good fight.

87 posted on 05/28/2015 10:29:43 AM PDT by Kazan
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