Posted on 04/19/2015 5:51:16 PM PDT by massmike
But they had one. Then they deadopted it. Someone led that drive. Right? I’d guess it was the hierarchy.
The lawyer joke applies to Methodist bishops. What do you call a 100 Methodist bishops at the bottom of the ocean?
A good start.
I agree. My fear Appy is the increasing homosexualization of the entire American culture. Africa needs to evangelize at exponential rates if the millennial Methodists stay on their current course.
It’s a fad. When the LGBTOPPUNOME thing quits being “different”, it will lose its appeal to misfits.
Wow. I sure hope you’re right about that. I pray you are. Thanks, Appy.
>>But they had one. Then they deadopted it. Someone led that drive. Right? I’d guess it was the hierarchy.
It came from within the sessions and presbyteries. The people “evolved” beyond the old confessions and wanted more freedom to believe non-Reformed things. The doctrines of Calvinism and Puritanism weighted too heavy on these newly enlightened people who began to see Jesus as the ultimate socialist more than the savior of mankind.
Today, my PCUSA friends are quite proud that they’ve moved past confessions and catechisms and wonder why us PCA Presbyterians don’t catch up with them.
I’m not a Presbyterian, but my view of hierarchies is that they have their dirty little fingers in everything, setting up “movements” while claiming distance. For the most part, they are creepy people.
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>>I’m not a Presbyterian, but my view of hierarchies is that they have their dirty little fingers in everything, setting up “movements” while claiming distance. For the most part, they are creepy people.
When the PCA was formed in the 1970s, it expanded the power of the local session (the local church council) over the Presbyteries (the regional hierarchy). Our hierarchy has very little power over the local church. This was done becuase of the lesson learned from the PCUSA.
But I was in a non-denom for a while and even they have a hierarchy of creepy little people. They reminded me of the HOA busybodies who will do or say anything to “protect their investment”.
I really don’t see it as one. I “personally” have no real problem with homosexuals or homosexuality.... it is none of my business what they do and them living their lives as they see fit doesn’t really affect me. I am a straight married male nurse with a wife and children. As you can imagine, I know and work with many homosexuals.
None of them are “flamers”, activists, homofascists, etc. etc., and do their level best if, not exactly hiding their sexual orientation, then to make a point not to wave it like a red flag in front of a bull. Therefore, their private lifestyle choices don’t bother me much.
God calls for us to love our neighbors as ourselves. There aren’t any exceptions provided. I believe that homosexuality is a sin, but our Savior told us that those of us that are sinless can chunk the first rock. Judgement belongs to God, not to us.
I draw the line at where MY lifelong church leadership turns 180 degrees and starts preaching that homosexuality is NOT a sin and is therefore ok. My children are taught to recognise sin and avoid it wherever possible, but to love others. I will not be associated with a denomination lacking the courage to call a sin, “sin”.
And, I fail to see the contradiction in any of this.
praying for you guys — fight the pink mafia!
Yet the hierarchies are accountable to the people, right? There are votes for Methodist and Presbyterian pastors, correct?
And, in the end, the Africans did not leave while the western groups got more and more perverted...
“homosexualization of the entire American culture” — there will be a backlash. Especially as America becomes less white.
I think it's the same thing about why the Anglican and Presbyterian etc. groups fell to the homosexuals -- they gave an inch and this was enough for the homosexuals to take a mile. I am now in favor of the extreme opposite -- no more Mr. Nice guy -- homosexuality to be illegal.
Not for Methodist. Methodist pastors are “sent” ( by the bishop) and not “called” by the congregation.
A bishop is virtually unassailable. A bishop can fairly quickly remove a pastor in his diocese who gets under his skin, but for the bishop there is no over-bishop. They are feudal lords within their own geographic region.
I believe that homosexuality is a sin, but our Savior told us that those of us that are sinless can chunk the first rock. Judgement belongs to God, not to us.
I draw the line at where MY lifelong church leadership turns 180 degrees and starts preaching that homosexuality is NOT a sin and is therefore ok. My children are taught to recognise sin and avoid it wherever possible, but to love others. I will not be associated with a denomination lacking the courage to call a sin, “sin”.
OK, so you have no problem with it but it's a sin. Again with the contradiction. So God is wrong about sin?
Now about judgment because so many people get that wrong. If someone in your church is gay should he be allowed to continue to participate in church? How about if he is sleeping with his father's wife? Does that sound familiar?
If someone is killing cats and dogs for Satan next to your house, does that affect you? How about if they are enticing kids into willingly having sex? How could that possibly be bothering anyone?
it would be interesting to know how the Orthodox handle this issue — in my opinion it’s because their philosophy is “is it a new innovation? If yes, then OUT!” :) — and that has its merits
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