[Jim Noble]

To say that the Soviet union beat the Germans is to poke a finger in the eye of the Americans that fought and died in Europe.

Don't be ridiculous.

The damage the Red Army did to the Wehrmacht, to Germany and to the Germans exceeds the damage done by the US and the UK by an enormous amount.

According to battle death statistics, US-UK forces killed 363,000 German soldiers, sailors, and airmen. According to German statistics, the total military war dead were 4.4 million (the Russians claim 5.6 million). Using the lower figure, the Red Army killed 91% of the German soldiers killed in battle, using the Russian figures, it's 94%.

The only thing the US-UK forces did was to stop the Red Army at the Elbe instead of the Atlantic Ocean - a good thing, to be sure, and it certainly saved the lives of lots of Germans.

But it did not affect the outcome of the war in any meaningful way.

[dfwgator]

Soviets also started the war when they were Nazi allies and agreed to carve up Poland.