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Orange County Register ^ | April 2, 2015 | Anne Valdespino

[pallmallman]

I agree with what you say. We’re of one accord here. I made my point and you’ve made your’s very well indeed sir!

[editor-surveyor]

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I understand that. I’ve gone through the same in SA and Mexico several times.

But not Israel.
I was just poking him anyway.
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[CatherineofAragon]

"I don’t think you should paint yourself into a corner where you find you’re defending the Russian communists. Or their Puppetmaster."

How am I doing that?

Specifically, please.

[CatherineofAragon]

"The goal of our enemies is to make every man and woman engage in bad behavior for as long possible, and to make decisions that will result in the highest likelihood of adopting a nontraditional lifestyle. This is what cripples us as a nation."

But if I'm grocery shopping at Kroger and I put a bottle of red wine in my cart, how is the KGB/Vladimir Putin making me do that?

Do you see the problem here with what you're saying?

Now, if there is a miniature KGB man living in the wine shelves at Kroger, sending out gamma rays or something to my brain to convince me to buy wine, I certainly hope he has a pint-sized giraffe with him (like the one in the commercial). Because I would really like to see that.

[CatherineofAragon]

"The consumption of wine isn’t a sin. Drunkenness is."

Yet almost every one of your posts to me has tried to convince me of the horror of one single glass of wine---even the first sip.

[reasonisfaith]

The use of ridicule and gross exaggeration in a serious discussion reveals a very weak argument.

My suggestion: stop being influenced by the Jon Stewarts of the world and start allowing yourself to think like a serious adult.

[reasonisfaith]

Could very well be that you as an individual have not been particularly victimized by the chemical warfare perpetrated on our nation by its enemies.

But is it that hard for you to believe that the KGB has wanted to destroy the United States?

[CatherineofAragon]

"The use of ridicule and gross exaggeration in a serious discussion reveals a very weak argument."

The fact that you consider claims of KGB agents forcing people to drink "serious discussion" is troubling. It deserves nothing BUT ridicule.

"My suggestion: stop being influenced by the Jon Stewarts of the world and start allowing yourself to think like a serious adult."

I've never watched Jon Stewart. And I'll take your admonition seriously when you can let go of your crazy conspiracy theories.

BTW, you never did answer my question about the little agent on the Kroger shelves. I really WOULD love to see that tiny giraffe.

[CatherineofAragon]

"Could very well be that you as an individual have not been particularly victimized by the chemical warfare perpetrated on our nation by its enemies."

Well, that much is true. I can't say sarin gas or anything like that has hit my town, and for that I'm thankful.

Is that what the Russians are using to make us pick up a wineglass? Chemicals? How does that work, exactly? What are they using and what are their methods?

"But is it that hard for you to believe that the KGB has wanted to destroy the United States?"

Of course not. I'd say that's a given. But it's a reeeeaaaaal stretch to leap from there to "the KGB just made me drink a glass of wine."

[reasonisfaith]

Your argument that the KGB didn’t want to destroy our nation is not logical.

[reasonisfaith]

The following is the question I asked earlier—it will help.

Do you know how to calculate how many young people in our country have had their lives irreparably damaged by a single episode of too much alcohol? What is the aggregate effect on our society of the countless bad decisions made on late night college campuses?

[reasonisfaith]

I don’t mean to upset you. This is very serious.

Of course it’s okay to drink alcohol. But when you’re drunk, you’re vulnerable. Socially, politically, spiritually.

My only point about the KGB is that they used alcohol against their political targets. Not that they’re using it against you when you go to the grocery store.

But it’s a very safe bet to think that our enemies will be happier and their interests better served—at our expense—the more Americans are drinking and getting drunk.

[reasonisfaith]

Yuri Bezmenov on his KGB duties.

“Part of my job was to keep foreigners permanently on a certain level of intoxication, not too drunk, not too sober. Why? Simple. So that everything looks nice to them in Russia. The moment that they walk out of the airplane in Moscow, we take them to the VIP lounge and we toast with champagne to friendship, understanding, detente, brotherhood, Andropov-style. And if they refuse to drink, we tell them, ‘It’s unethical. You may offend [the] feelings of our people, because it’s a tradition in our country to get drunk for friendship.’”

http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com/2009/04/black-is-beautiful-part-two.html