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Has Chris Matthews asked for his birth certificate yet?
1 posted on 03/23/2015 10:36:02 AM PDT by Citizen Zed
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To: Citizen Zed

The left will let him get nominated, then all together, they will all bring up this birth issue.
The filthy hypocrites cleverly hid the fact that 0 is not eligible to be president.


41 posted on 03/23/2015 11:14:31 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Citizen Zed
Cruz’ place of birth and antecedents raise interesting questions of eligibility.
45 posted on 03/23/2015 11:25:08 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: Citizen Zed

There is no proof as to where 0bama was born.

And if one actually traces the whereabouts of his mother...it looks more like she went to Canada herself to give birth to her biracial baby at the time.


52 posted on 03/23/2015 11:34:21 AM PDT by EBH (And the angel poured out his cup...)
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To: Citizen Zed

It depends on when Cruz’s father became an American citizen. The Supreme Court did rule on this issue in 1875


55 posted on 03/23/2015 11:39:42 AM PDT by RichardMoore (There is only one issue- Life: dump TV and follow a plant based diet)
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To: Citizen Zed

Are there more than two types of American citizens, Natural Born and Naturalized? If not, then aren’t you Natural Born if you are an American citizen at birth?


58 posted on 03/23/2015 11:55:46 AM PDT by Texican72
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To: Citizen Zed

A controlling precedent was set when Congress allowed the thug from Hawaii/Kenya/Indonesia/Chicago to usurp the office. The standard seems to be any claim to either parent being a US citizen at the birth of the candidate. Cruz meets that standard better than the communist does, and that is good enough for me. I would prefer that “Natural Born Citizen” have a stricter definition, child of two US citizen parents at birth, but that is not the definition that has now been accepted.


61 posted on 03/23/2015 11:57:59 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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Has much information been published about his Cuban father?


74 posted on 03/23/2015 1:35:19 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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The U.S. Constitution says presidential candidates have to be "natural-born citizens." But the Supreme Court has never weighed in with a definition, leaving it open to interpretation.

A bold-faced media lie!

Supreme Court cases that cite “natural born Citizen” as one born on U.S. soil to citizen parents:

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says: “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 3 Pet. 242 242 (1830)

Ann Scott was born in South Carolina before the American revolution, and her father adhered to the American cause and remained and was at his death a citizen of South Carolina. There is no dispute that his daughter Ann, at the time of the Revolution and afterwards, remained in South Carolina until December, 1782. Whether she was of age during this time does not appear. If she was, then her birth and residence might be deemed to constitute her by election a citizen of South Carolina. If she was not of age, then she might well be deemed under the circumstances of this case to hold the citizenship of her father, for children born in a country, continuing while under age in the family of the father, partake of his national character as a citizen of that country. Her citizenship, then, being prima facie established, and indeed this is admitted in the pleadings, has it ever been lost, or was it lost before the death of her father, so that the estate in question was, upon the descent cast, incapable of vesting in her? Upon the facts stated, it appears to us that it was not lost and that she was capable of taking it at the time of the descent cast.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)

The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As society cannot perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their parents, and succeed to all their rights.' Again: 'I say, to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen; for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . . .

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939),

Was a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that a child born in the United States to naturalized parents on U.S. soil is a natural born citizen and that the child's natural born citizenship is not lost if the child is taken to and raised in the country of the parents' origin, provided that upon attaining the age of majority, the child elects to retain U.S. citizenship "and to return to the United States to assume its duties." Not only did the court rule that she did not lose her native born Citizenship but it upheld the lower courts decision that she is a "natural born Citizen of the United States" because she was born in the USA to two naturalized U.S. Citizens.

But the Secretary of State, according to the allegation of the bill of complaint, had refused to issue a passport to Miss Elg 'solely on the ground that she had lost her native born American citizenship.' The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants [307 U.S. 325, 350] (Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U.S. 227 , 57 S.Ct. 461, 108 A.L.R. 1000), declared Miss Elg 'to be a natural born citizen of the United States' (99 F.2d 414) and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants. The decree in that sense would in no way interfere with the exercise of the Secretary's discretion with respect to the issue of a passport but would simply preclude the denial of a passport on the sole ground that Miss Elg had lost her American citizenship."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

The Biggest Cover-up in American History

78 posted on 03/24/2015 3:08:00 AM PDT by Godebert
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Where’s that “Not this shit again” guy when you need him?


81 posted on 03/24/2015 8:13:29 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Citizen Zed; LucyT; null and void; Cold Case Posse Supporter; Flotsam_Jetsome; circumbendibus; ...

Ping to NPR NBC article including Harvard bipartisan solicitor generals affirming Ted Cruz as NBC based on 1790 Naturalization Act...which IIRC was SUPERCEDED in 1795 which kind of changed the quoted language in the article below?

Due to my ME/CFS I will leave it to others to sort the details...

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/03/23/394713013/is-ted-cruz-allowed-to-run-since-he-was-born-in-canada

And most legal scholars agree. In fact, two of the best-known Supreme Court lawyers — who are not normally on the same side — make the case that Cruz, as were McCain, George Romney and Goldwater, is eligible to run.

Neal Katyal, who served as acting solicitor general in the Obama administration, and Paul Clement, who was solicitor general under George W. Bush, wrote earlier this month in the Harvard Law Review that “there is no question” Cruz is eligible.

They say that because Cruz’s mother was a U.S. citizen and his father was a U.S. resident, “Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a ‘natural born Citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution” and the “Naturalization Act of 1790.”

They also point to British common law and enactments by the First Congress, both of which have been cited by the Supreme Court.

“Both confirm that the original meaning of the phrase ‘natural born Citizen’ includes persons born abroad who are citizens from birth based on the citizenship of a parent. As to the British practice, laws in force in the 1700s recognized that children born outside of the British Empire to subjects of the Crown were subjects themselves and explicitly used ‘natural born’ to encompass such children. These statutes provided that children born abroad to subjects of the British Empire were ‘natural-born Subjects ... to all Intents, Constructions, and Purposes whatsoever.’

“The Framers, of course, would have been intimately familiar with these statutes and the way they used terms like ‘natural born,’ since the statutes were binding law in the colonies before the Revolutionary War. They were also well documented in Blackstone’s Commentaries, a text widely circulated and read by the Framers and routinely invoked in interpreting the Constitution.

“No doubt informed by this longstanding tradition, just three years after the drafting of the Constitution, the First Congress established that children born abroad to U.S. citizens were U.S. citizens at birth, and explicitly recognized that such children were ‘natural born Citizens.’ The Naturalization Act of 1790 provided that ‘the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States. ...’

“The actions and understandings of the First Congress are particularly persuasive because so many of the Framers of the Constitution were also members of the First Congress. That is particularly true in this instance, as eight of the eleven members of the committee that proposed the natural born eligibility requirement to the Convention served in the First Congress and none objected to a definition of ‘natural born Citizen’ that included persons born abroad to citizen parents.”

Katyal and Clement conclude, “There are plenty of serious issues to debate in the upcoming presidential election cycle. The less time spent dealing with specious objections to candidate eligibility, the better. Fortunately, the Constitution is refreshingly clear on these eligibility issues.”


82 posted on 03/24/2015 9:44:05 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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Cruz has a non fake non Internet birth certificate and his American mom was old enough to confer her citizenship onto her baby. Next question.


85 posted on 03/24/2015 10:38:27 AM PDT by Yaelle
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Libs will wait until he gets the nomination and then go to court. Court will deny Cruz and the Dem (Hillary will run unopposed). Pretty simple isn’t it.


89 posted on 03/24/2015 10:55:51 AM PDT by DrDude (Does anyone have a set of balls anymore?)
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