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How the Romans Proceeded in Waging War
WikiSource ^ | Circa 1517 | Niccolo' Machiavelli

Posted on 03/15/2015 3:30:15 PM PDT by Jacquerie

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A few forgotten maxims:

Make quick war.
Make war pay for itself.
Establish colonies in conquered lands.

No republic should MAKE war unless it can follow these simple methods. They served Rome well for four hundred years.

1 posted on 03/15/2015 3:30:15 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Jacquerie

Cicero liked to quote a poet about Rome’s foreign policy:

“Oderint dum metuant” (”Let them hate us as long as they fear us.”)


2 posted on 03/15/2015 3:37:29 PM PDT by budj (beam me up, scotty...)
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To: NRx

Self ping for later reading.


3 posted on 03/15/2015 3:37:47 PM PDT by NRx
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To: Jacquerie
Establish colonies in conquered lands.

Colonize Afghanistan? For what?

4 posted on 03/15/2015 3:40:40 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: Jacquerie

Should be remembered that Machiavelli was a failed politician who spent the rest of his life trying to convince others he should be put back in charge.

Never worked.

War in the modern world does not and cannot pay for itself. The Romans paid for their’s by looting temples and selling people into slavery. Don’t think many Americans would support either. I know I wouldn’t.

The immensely greater wealth of the modern world, as opposed to the classical world, is based on a diverse thriving economy. There is simply no way to loot such an economy without destroying it, which leads us straight to the Goose and the Golden Egg.

I suspect there are very, very few Americans interested in becoming colonists in Syria, Iraq or Libya.

You are aware that the Roman colonies were very different from those of the 19th century, aren’t you?


5 posted on 03/15/2015 3:43:31 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Jacquerie

Colonies could be used to relieve us of those who are not “Roman.”


6 posted on 03/15/2015 3:44:02 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: Jacquerie

Don’t forget how the empire fell. They allowed “foreigners” unto their ranks to fill the military coffers whose loyalties were not for the Republic. Slowly but surely, their enemies outnumbered the Roman legions they had to “buy” more foreigner armies to fight wars for them which of course, turned on them once they saw how weak they’ve become. Sounds familiar?


7 posted on 03/15/2015 3:47:20 PM PDT by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: Jacquerie

See my tag line.............


8 posted on 03/15/2015 3:53:50 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: DoodleDawg

So as per Machiavelli’s maxims, don’t make war on Afghanistan. Sheesh.


9 posted on 03/15/2015 3:54:09 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: max americana

The Roman republic lasted near four hundred years. Ours lasted barely 150. Machiavelli is the father of political science and worth a read.

He and Livy also addressed the topic of foreigners in their ranks.


10 posted on 03/15/2015 3:56:44 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Sherman Logan

It is your option to casually dismiss the wisdom of the ages.


11 posted on 03/15/2015 3:58:29 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Jacquerie
Offer men the chance to loot, kill, catch slaves and rape women. If they die fighting kafirs, a perpetual 72 virgin orgy in paradise. Works like a charm as a motivator.
12 posted on 03/15/2015 4:02:16 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Jacquerie

The Israelis could have learned something from the Romans. When Rome conquered Gaul, it did not establish an adjacent,self governing, militarized political entity of hostile Gauls. Perhaps the Israeli geniuses who established Gaza as a Palestinian entity should have read Caesar’s Commentaries.


13 posted on 03/15/2015 4:03:05 PM PDT by allendale
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To: DoodleDawg
Colonize Afghanistan? For what?

Splendid opportunity to settle these vastly underpopulated lands with 20 million or so of our illegal aliens. Fergusonite SonsOBama giving you a problem? Send'em to the colonies.

14 posted on 03/15/2015 4:03:34 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ( Obama told us what he'd do, and did it. How about your Republican Representative?)
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To: Jacquerie
If we had been able to set up a benevolent dictatorship in Iraq similar to the ones we set up in Germany and Japan after WWII, then going to Iraq would have made sense.

Since it was obvious from the beginning that this would not have been tolerated by the American people or the global community, the War in Iraq was a failure waiting to happen.

15 posted on 03/15/2015 4:05:09 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: DoodleDawg

The war on drugs. The U S could own the supply and make the market.


16 posted on 03/15/2015 4:15:47 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: budj
Cicero liked to quote a poet about Rome’s foreign policy: “Oderint dum metuant” (”Let them hate us as long as they fear us.”)

Tacitus wrote about the Roman approach to war: "They created a desert, and called it peace".

17 posted on 03/15/2015 4:20:44 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Jacquerie

The Romans were not too concerned about collateral damage or rules of engagement.


18 posted on 03/15/2015 4:25:34 PM PDT by HChampagne
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To: Sherman Logan

Machiavelli was imprisoned for his politics.

You didn’t read my post, so there is no point in engaging you any further.


19 posted on 03/15/2015 4:44:44 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: Jacquerie
Be sure that the jihadis of all stripe (from ISIS to Nation of Islam) take their wars seriously.
20 posted on 03/15/2015 5:03:08 PM PDT by 9thLife ("Life is a military endeavor..." -- Pope Francis)
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