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Elite Gun Fighter vs Knife Fighter 21 Ft Doesn't Apply
wshootingjournal ^ | 3/8/2015

Posted on 03/08/2015 1:38:46 PM PDT by w1n1

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To: w1n1
couple of thoughts on that:

1.) that was awesome. I can't wait to try those techniques out in training. and thanks for posting that video.

2.) The man with the gun would not typically have the advantage of expecting a rapid and violent attack. Nobody on the street walks around wound up that tight unless they are an operator. The attacker will almost always have the element of surprise which means you most likely won't even get 21 feet to react decisively. Attackers may be on bicycles or mopeds or motorcycles too in which case your brain will have even less time to process the situation and guide your reaction.

3.) That means that the typical concealed carrier type person needs to be wound up a different way than the elite operator types. We need to focus on situational awareness and risk assessment. For example, when you exit the movie theater late at night, do you just walk to your car way out in that dark parking lot? or do you take a moment to survey the parking lot for obvious threats and less obvious potential avenues of attack? Are you looking for positions you can move to to take cover if someone comes out of nowhere and attacks you? Do you even become alert when random people are walking towards you? How close do you let them get to you before telling them not to come any closer?

just a few thoughts.

21 posted on 03/08/2015 3:45:50 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: w1n1

If someone charges me with a knife from 21 ft, they aren’t going to deal well with the jibe sidestep.


22 posted on 03/08/2015 4:08:39 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: RC one

The growing style of attack in urban areas is multiple men bum rushing from behind. Knocking the victim to the ground and trying to get on him before he can respond.

Perhaps training for audio clues and drawing while going into a fall might benefit some folks.


23 posted on 03/08/2015 4:15:08 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: w1n1
The 21-foot rule. What could go wrong?



24 posted on 03/08/2015 4:31:02 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: real saxophonist

One-armed. Yes, I envisioned something else. Glad you’re okay.


25 posted on 03/08/2015 4:33:20 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Bogey78O

>>The growing style of attack in urban areas<<

First thought...stay out of urban areas. Life is much more serene anyhow.

Secondly, if one carries CHL, always scan your surroundings.

I love watching folks “potential victims” in public places. Most people are just clueless. They go about with no sense of danger at all.


26 posted on 03/08/2015 4:38:24 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Bratch

i have to admit, i did not see that coming


27 posted on 03/08/2015 5:11:12 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Bratch

That’s freakin funny! I’ll need to check that show out


28 posted on 03/08/2015 5:39:19 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Lurker

Police cite Tueller. It’s more than good enough for me.

Elite or not, reflexes get slower as age increases.


29 posted on 03/08/2015 6:00:57 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: w1n1; waterhill

Good stuff for later.


30 posted on 03/08/2015 7:35:29 PM PDT by Envisioning (My desire to be well informed is at odds with my desire to remain sane....)
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To: Terry L Smith

“Now, put in background noise, eyeglasses, hearing aids, headphones, cell phones, and ‘monkey-mindedness’ - instead of ‘mindfulness’, and what do you have?”

Well - that might just give me a fighting chance!


31 posted on 03/08/2015 7:38:54 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: Bogey78O
As an ER nurse in a large violent city, I have observed that this kind of confrontation occurs most frequently when an individual has found himself/herself in the wrong place at the wrong time; for example, in a seedy bar's parking lot at 2 AM.

You will not find me in such a place at such a time.

I am very cautious about where I find myself in fact. I mostly limit my activities to familiar areas and frequent those areas only during the light of the day because I have also noticed that predators tend to come out at night. I am specifically looking to avoid trouble. I do, however, occasionally, find myself having to cross a dark parking lot after leaving a movie theater or restaurant on "date night".

That being said, it is difficult for an individual to enter by "tueller zone" without me being acutely aware of the approaching intrusion. I am looking for it and it happens. It's usually the drug addicted pan handler coming up to me to tell me his BS hardluck story. When I see them coming, I typically tell them "I don't have anything for you. Don't come any closer to me" while I'm moving my jacket out of the way.

I have definitely observed that these drug addicted panhandler types get more aggressive in their pan handling as it gets darker. I ordered one of them away and he called me a "dick" (yelled it in fact)and then went right up to someone else who was getting out of their car and got right in their face and they gave him money. Were it a little bit darker, and were that parking lot just a little bit emptier, and had that junky started to go through withdrawal, the panhandling would have been outright robbery. I get a 911 alert on my phone for every 911 call within a mile of my location. Robbery alerts are not uncommon in that particular area.

So, my point is, situational awareness should be a key component for any concealed handgun training program IMO. Battles are won or lost before they're fought. As a law abiding citizen with a CCW permit, you really shouldn't ever need to execute a combat roll but, if something has gone horribly wrong in your life, and you have found yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time, it seems like a great technique to have down. I especially liked the falling backward technique although, once your down, your ability maneuver is pretty limited.

32 posted on 03/08/2015 11:16:47 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

Wow. You are quite the writer of the experience. Please, tell us more......


33 posted on 03/08/2015 11:22:55 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: RedHeeler
I have to be careful about telling the really good stories due to healthcare privacy laws. Let's just say, I have met a lot of people who have found themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometimes they get away with a few lumps on their head. Sometimes they end up brain damaged and on life support. Sometimes they end up dead.

After you have met enough of these people, you develop a pretty good sense about what the wrong place at the wrong time entails and it ends up permanently in the back of your mind.

maybe 5 times out of 10, the violent event occurs in close proximity to a bar, typically around midnight. Alcohol and/or drugs are a very common component of most of the homicide traumas I have seen. I don't think I have ever met someone beaten, stabbed, knifed, or shot while walking out of the grocery store in broad day light. At night time, it's another story of course.

Situational awareness was drilled into us in the military and for good reason. It should be drilled into the heads of anyone who chooses to carry a firearm as it is far more likely to save your life than your ability to execute a combat roll. That combat roll was still pretty awesome though.

34 posted on 03/09/2015 9:14:36 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a politically correct way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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35 posted on 03/09/2015 5:01:00 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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