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Agonizing over the true Islam
Toronto Sun ^ | FEBRUARY 28, 2015 | ANTHONY FUREY

Posted on 02/28/2015 4:15:22 PM PST by rickmichaels

Some charter member of the political correctness brigade is probably sitting in a Starbucks right now arguing that the three men arrested in New York City Wednesday for allegedly trying to join ISIS and attack Coney Island just had “economic grievances” that were likely to end in “workplace violence.” That’s how twisted the way we talk about terror and religion has become.

One would think it takes a particular lack of worldliness to argue that there’s not much Islamic about the Islamic State. That’s why it’s troubling to read the New York Times’ globetrotting everyman Thomas Friedman do almost that in a column last week. All the more so because he's usually no Pollyanna on the topic - repeatedly calling for an Islamic reformation over the past decade and reminding readers this January that "there is a huge amount of ambivalence toward this whole jihadist phenomenon — more than any of us would like to believe — in the Arab-Muslim world, Europe and America."

But this time Friedman wants to prove “The U.S. keeps repeating the same mistake in the Middle East: overestimating the power of religious ideology and underappreciating the impact of misgovernance.”

Hold on. How can the United States be overestimating the influence of religion when the current administration can’t even bring itself to speak the name of the religion in question?

Obama said at the “Countering Violent Extremism” summit that he wants to pursue "root causes." But how can you counter something you can’t name? It’s almost a scene out of an Inspector Clouseau film.

Friedman's certainly right to note “we agonizingly debate ISIS’s relationship to Islam.” No kidding. The politically correct agonizingly twist themselves into knots trying to downplay or entirely excuse the role religion plays in the allure of the Islamic State. Or al Qaida. Or Boko Haram. Or Hezbollah. Or al Shabaab. Or… you get the point.

Now there's nothing wrong with acknowledging nuance in religion. They all have sects. They all have factions. But do this too much and you risk falling into the relativist rabbit hole.

Like how Friedman enumerates different factions within the Islamic State then gives the reader the tools to conclude, should they so desire, that none are the true Islam. Like how the foreigners who join up aren’t doing so out of religious adherence but because they’re “losers, misfits, adventure seekers.”

These observations are no doubt useful in understanding the scene on the ground, but in terms of crafting a dialogue with a Western audience they're counterproductive.

It just gives fuel to those apologists who are always looking to shift the conversation away from the atrocities and into a defence of the mythical "true Islam," as if such a thing exists. This is something the politically correct have been busy with since 9/11. They’re obsessed with showing Islam in as positive a light as possible. They’re obsessed with finding a way to distance wrongs done in the name of religion from its pure form. They’re obsessed with constantly proclaiming that not all Muslims are terrorists… even though nobody credible has ever once said that they are.

This affliction would be harmless in a village idiot sort of way were it not for the fact that this narrative has lead public discourse into a corner. It’s almost all we talk about now and because of this we leave the important questions unasked, let alone answered.

Right now the West – in conflict with, er, “violent extremism” - doesn’t need more people busying themselves with this futile task of defining and defending the "true Islam." How in the world does that help deter people from wanting to attack Coney Island? If anything it encourages them, leading them to think that their radical notions are just one option among many in some multifaith dialogue governed by the rules of moral relativism.

No, the West needs people focused on questions that can actually be answered. Like: What is it about this religion that has made it a more attractive dumping ground for so many losers and misfits than other religions?

Or: Is that promised Muslim reformation, the type many hoped would arise from the Arab Spring, still possible and forthcoming? Because right now it's not looking good.

Hard questions. Uncomfortable questions. Unfortunately these are the ones the chattering classes don’t seem interested in asking.


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1 posted on 02/28/2015 4:15:22 PM PST by rickmichaels
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To: rickmichaels

All you need to know about “true” Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjBDDC4wVxk


2 posted on 02/28/2015 4:23:10 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: rickmichaels
The problem with the middle east in one word: Islam. Reason for previous statement in two words: false “prophet.” Solution: none, as long as we have the first problem.
3 posted on 02/28/2015 4:24:19 PM PST by Fungi (Evolution is piece by piece over billions of years. At what point did a precursor become a human?)
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To: rickmichaels

Read the book for yourself.
It’s all in there.
ISIS is following the example of their prophet.
Islam cannot be reformed.
To even suggest reforming it draws death threats or worse.
Convert, submit or die is the Islamic way.


4 posted on 02/28/2015 4:27:39 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace- No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: cuban leaf
or this...comes in a close second...


5 posted on 02/28/2015 4:28:01 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: rickmichaels

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The Underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
The Beslan Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Baha’is = No Problem
Baha’is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha’is = No Problem
Baha’is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha’is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

**********SO THIS LEAD TO *****************
They’re not happy in Gaza
They’re not happy in Egypt
They’re not happy in Libya
They’re not happy in Morocco
They’re not happy in Iran
They’re not happy in Iraq
They’re not happy in Yemen
They’re not happy in Afghanistan
They’re not happy in Pakistan
They’re not happy in Syria
They’re not happy in Lebanon
They’re not happy in Nigeria
They’re not happy in Kenya
They’re not happy in Sudan

******** So, where are they happy? **********
They’re happy in Australia
They’re happy in England
They’re happy in Belgium
They’re happy in France
They’re happy in Italy
They’re happy in Germany
They’re happy in Sweden
They’re happy in the USA & Canada
They’re happy in Norway & India
They’re happy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves... THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!! And they want to change the countries they’re happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will be get hammered
!!!!

Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
AND A LOT MORE!!!!!!!

What was the question?


6 posted on 02/28/2015 4:35:05 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: rickmichaels

bttt


7 posted on 02/28/2015 4:43:38 PM PST by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one... what's your plan?)
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To: rickmichaels

the true Islam that counts... that millions of Islamics are supporting and practicing...is set forth primarily in their koran, their ‘holy book’ —
wherein you will find some 100+ commands, directives, or exhortations to invade and take over other people’s lands.. and to either subjugate them to an Islamic regime...or kill them outright.

its right there in their damned book.
and its right in front of us every night on television.

Obama lies. People die.


8 posted on 02/28/2015 4:48:14 PM PST by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..).)
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To: MeshugeMikey

Are we not men?!


9 posted on 02/28/2015 4:52:38 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: rickmichaels
The only people capable of reforming Islam (i.e. ending the jihads and beheads and such) are thes guys. And personally, I don't see much action on that front. So I think we are stuck for now with The Literal Koran and the Islamic Reformation is not coming soon.


10 posted on 02/28/2015 4:53:15 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: cuban leaf

Very nice job. A lot of work.

Freepers, your homework assignment, due no later than next Monday afternoon is to memorize these tables and recite them to your family over dinner.


11 posted on 02/28/2015 5:05:26 PM PST by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

I must confess I cut and pasted it from a post here: http://www.tpnn.com/2015/02/27/video-tea-partier-creates-awesome-response-to-coexist-bumper-sticker-crowd/

It’s something I shared on my facebook page and now here.

It’s comical that we are even arguing whether or not Islam teaches violence. What a world of ignorance we occupy.


12 posted on 02/28/2015 5:07:05 PM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: cuban leaf
sush a name...the FRUITS of Islam...


13 posted on 02/28/2015 5:07:50 PM PST by MeshugeMikey ("Never, Never, Never, Give Up," Winston Churchill ><>)
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To: cuban leaf

I learned all I need to know about Islam on 09/11 along with the resulting celebrating.


14 posted on 02/28/2015 5:17:05 PM PST by Sasparilla (If you want peace, prepare for war.)
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To: faithhopecharity
THIS IS ISLAM

BRIGITTE GABRIEL'S SPEECH AT THE INTELLIGENCE SUMMIT IN WASHINGTON D.C.

We gather here today to share information and knowledge. Intelligence is not merely cold hard data about numerical strength or armament or disposition of military forces. The most important element of intelligence has to be understanding the mindset and intention of the enemy.

The West has been wallowing in a state of ignorance and denial for thirty years as Muslim extremist perpetrated evil against innocent victims in the name of Allah.

I was ten years old when my home exploded around me, burying me under the rubble and leaving me to drink my blood to survive, as the perpetrators shouted, 'Allah Akbar!' My only crime was that I was a Christian living in a Christian town. At 10 years old, I learned the meaning of the word 'infidel.'

I had a crash course in survival. Not in the Girl Scouts, but in a bomb shelter where I lived for seven years in pitch darkness, freezing cold, drinking stale water and eating grass to live. At the age of 13, I dressed in my burial clothes going to bed at night, waiting to be slaughtered. By the age of 20, I had buried most of my friends--killed by Muslims. We were not Americans living in New York , or Britons in London . We were Arab Christians living in Lebanon.

As a victim of Islamic terror, I was amazed when I saw Americans waking up on September 12, 2001, and asking themselves 'Why do they hate us?' The psychoanalyst experts were coming up with all sort of excuses as to what did we do to offend the Muslim World. But if America and the West were paying attention to the Middle East they would not have had to ask the question. Simply put, they hate us because we are defined in their eyes by one simple word: 'infidels.'

Under the banner of Islam 'la, ilaha illa Allah, muhammad rasoulu Allah,' (None is god except Allah; Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah) they murdered Jewish children in Israel, massacred Christians in Lebanon, killed Copts in Egypt, Assyrians in Syria, Hindus in India, and expelled almost 900,000 Jews from Muslim lands. We Middle Eastern infidels paid the price then. Now infidels worldwide are paying the price for indifference and shortsightedness.

Tolerating evil is a crime. Appeasing murderers doesn't buy protection. It earns one disrespect and loathing in the enemy's eyes. Yet apathy is the weapon by which the West is committing suicide. Political correctness forms the shackles around our ankles, by which Islamist's are leading us to our demise.

America and the West are doomed to failure in this war unless they stand up and identify the real enemy: Islam. You hear about Cahaba and Salafi Islam as the only extreme form of Islam. All the other Muslims, supposedly, are wonderful moderates. Closer to the truth are the pictures of the irrational eruption of violence in reaction to the cartoons of Mohammed printed by a Danish newspaper.

From burning embassies, to calls to butcher those who mock Islam, to warnings that the West be prepared for another holocaust, those pictures have given us a glimpse into the real face of the enemy. News pictures and video of these events represent a canvas of hate decorated by different nationalities who share one common ideology of hate, bigotry and intolerance derived from one source: authentic Islam. An Islam that is awakening from centuries of slumber to re-ignite its wrath against the infidel and dominate the world. An Islam which has declared 'Intifada' on the West.

America and the West can no longer afford to lay in their lazy state of overweight ignorance. The consequences of this mental disease are starting to attack the body, and if they don't take the necessary steps now to control it, death will be knocking soon. If you want to understand the nature of the enemy we face, visualize a tapestry of snakes. They slither and they hiss, and they would eat each other alive, but they will unite in a hideous mass to achieve their common goal of imposing Islam on the world.

This is the ugly face of the enemy we are fighting. We are fighting a powerful ideology that is capable of altering basic human instincts. An ideology that can turn a mother into a launching pad of death. A perfect example is a recently elected Hamas official in the Palestinian Territories who raves in heavenly joy about sending her three sons to death and offering the ones who are still alive for the cause. It is an ideology that is capable of offering highly educated individuals such as doctors and lawyers far more joy in attaining death than any respect and stature life in society is ever capable of giving them.

The United States has been a prime target for radical Islamic hatred and terror. Every Friday, mosques in the Middle East ring with shrill prayers and monotonous chants calling death, destruction and damnation down on America and its people. The radical Islamist deeds have been as vile as their words. Since the Iran hostage crisis, more than three thousand Americans have died in a terror campaign almost unprecedented in its calculated cruelty along with thousands of other citizens worldwide.

Even the Nazis did not turn their own children into human bombs, and then rejoice at their deaths as well the deaths of their victims. This intentional, indiscriminate and wholesale murder of innocent American citizens is justified and glorified in the name of Islam.

America cannot effectively defend itself in this war unless and until the American people understand the nature of the enemy that we face. Even after 9/11 there are those who say that we must engage our terrorist enemies, that we must address their grievances. Their grievance is our freedom of religion. Their grievance is our freedom of speech. Their grievance is our democratic process where the rule of law comes from the voices of many not that of just one prophet. It is the respect we instill in our children towards all religions. It is the equality we grant each other as human beings sharing a planet and striving to make the world a better place for all humanity. Their grievance is the kindness and respect a man shows a woman, the justice we practice as equals under the law, and the mercy we grant our enemy. Their grievance cannot be answered by an apology for who or what we are.

Our mediocre attitude of not confronting Islamic forces of bigotry and hatred wherever they raised their ugly head in the last 30 years, has empowered and strengthened our enemy to ssecure a full scale attack on the very freedoms we cherish in their effort to impose their values and way of life on our civilization.

If we don't wake up and challenge our Muslim community to take action against the terrorists within it, if we don't believe in ourselves as Americans and in the standards we should hold every patriotic American to, we are going to pay a price for our delusion. For the sake of our children and our country, we must wake up and take action. In the face of a torrent of hateful invective and terrorist murder, America 's learning curve since the Iran hostage crisis is so shallow that it is almost flat. The longer we lay supine, the more difficult it will be to stand erect.

This is all coming true. A non-patriot pro-Muslim is President of this great country. How can this happen?? APATHY, that's how!!! Send this around.

Brigitte Gabriel is an expert on the Middle East conflict and lectures nationally and internationally on the subject. She's the former news anchor of World News for Middle East television and the founder of AmericanCongressforTruth.com

Civilized men sleep soundly because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. ~ George Orwell

15 posted on 02/28/2015 5:17:25 PM PST by Dqban22 (Hpo<p> http://i.imgur.com/26RbAPxjpg)
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To: cuban leaf
That's a great list, thanks. You should add:

The Pan Am #103/Lockerbie bombers were Muslims"

16 posted on 02/28/2015 5:20:15 PM PST by Spirochete (GOP: Give Obama Power)
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To: cuban leaf

Moderate Mulims just hold your feet dwn while the radicals lop your heads off...


17 posted on 02/28/2015 5:28:29 PM PST by jsanders2001
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Less than $6.8k to go!!

18 posted on 02/28/2015 5:43:20 PM PST by RedMDer (Keep Free Republic Alive with YOUR Donations!)
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To: rickmichaels

True Islam was practiced by Mohammad and his disciples, identical to the Islam practiced today by ISIS.


19 posted on 02/28/2015 6:34:28 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: rickmichaels

bttt


20 posted on 02/28/2015 6:45:55 PM PST by wildbill (If you check behind the shower curtain for a murderer, and find one... what's your plan?)
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