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Scotland’s Independence Vote Shows a Global Crisis of the Elites
New York Times ^ | 09/18/2014 | Pulse of the People

Posted on 09/18/2014 7:11:01 PM PDT by Rusty0604

When you get past the details of the Scottish independence referendum Thursday, there is a broader story underway, one that is also playing out in other advanced nations.

It is a crisis of the elites. Scotland’s push for independence is driven by a conviction — one not ungrounded in reality — that the British ruling class has blundered through the last couple of decades. The same discontent applies to varying degrees in the United States and, especially, the eurozone. It is, in many ways, a defining feature of our time.

The details of Scotland’s grievances are almost the diametrical opposite of those of, say, the Tea Party or Swedish right-wingers. They want more social welfare spending rather than less, and have a strongly pro-green, antinuclear environmental streak. (Scotland’s threatened secession is less the equivalent of Texas pulling out of the United States, in that sense, than of Massachusetts or Oregon doing the same.)

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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1 posted on 09/18/2014 7:11:01 PM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

In the old days, you only needed a BIGGER title or sword to rule a country. Today it is so complex to rule, you need intelligence, or at the very least, intelligent advisors. The current Bozo is showing us what happens when you have neither.


2 posted on 09/18/2014 7:16:07 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: Rusty0604

I really wish Mass and Oregon would leave the union.


3 posted on 09/18/2014 7:16:26 PM PDT by Perdogg (I'm on a no Carb diet- NO Christie Ayotte Romney or Bush)
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To: Rusty0604

More like a global crisis caused by the elites. But it would be a leftist newspaper trying to spin it into “the people”.


4 posted on 09/18/2014 7:19:52 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Perdogg

Can you imagine...the independent nation of Massachusettes.
No federal “big dig” type dollars...they’d be buying bread with wheelbarrows of useless Massachusetts currency within a week.


5 posted on 09/18/2014 7:22:18 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: Rusty0604

The Nation State is a fairly questionable concept in the 21st century. Borders are questionable and social contracts meaningless. Nations are lumbering dinosaurs — small, fast, ruthless virtual communities may have the upper hand now.


6 posted on 09/18/2014 7:25:00 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Now is not the time for fear. That comes later.")
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To: ClearCase_guy

If the nation-state can’t give me a decent return on my investments, then it’s not worth crap.


7 posted on 09/18/2014 7:32:44 PM PDT by Ciexyz
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To: Ouchthatonehurt

“Can you imagine...the independent nation of Massachusetts.
No federal “big dig” type dollars...they’d be buying bread with wheelbarrows of useless Massachusetts currency within a week.”

I think that Massachusetts would do better than California.

New Jersey might make them both look good.

Then there is Maryland and Delaware


8 posted on 09/18/2014 7:39:43 PM PDT by Fai Mao (Genius at Large)
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To: Rusty0604
Power is not a right; it is a responsibility.

Something our current president doesn't have a clue about. Most of you have seen the video of how Obozo took all the credit by saying "I won the Iraq War." "I brought the troops home", I...I...I..." but ends with his response: "It amazes me that people think I can control our troops." If you haven't seen it, watch:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ugLMWdqnk4

Responsibility? Leadership? This guy couldn't lead himself out of a tunnel.

9 posted on 09/18/2014 7:45:12 PM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: Rusty0604

From what I understand unless I am being lied to which wouldn’t surprise me, is that the real reason they want independence is so they can go MORE socialist which is about as insane as it gets. I mean why not just nuke the country, they’ll get the same result.


10 posted on 09/18/2014 7:45:31 PM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Hitlery: Incarnation of evil.)
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To: Rusty0604

On the other hand if this loses as it looks like it will, the elites will be able to use it as a mandate to continue ruling as they have been for many years to come.


11 posted on 09/18/2014 7:53:22 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Fai Mao

What if every State seceded from the District of Criminals?


12 posted on 09/18/2014 7:56:23 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Rusty0604

“not ungrounded”

AAAARRRGGHHH!!


13 posted on 09/18/2014 7:57:48 PM PDT by Don W (To laugh, perhaps to dream...)
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To: I am Richard Brandon
"Today it is so complex to rule, you need intelligence, or at the very least, intelligent advisors."

That's pretty funny in contrast to the decades of stupidity and corruption we've seen in leadership.


14 posted on 09/18/2014 8:00:10 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: bigbob

The English will never let Scotland forget it. It’ll be one round of mistreatment after another.


15 posted on 09/18/2014 8:00:24 PM PDT by CorporateStepsister (I am NOT going to force a man to make my dreams come true)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Small communities sound weak militarily. Easily dominated by large nation state ‘lumbering dinosaurs’ of the t-rex variety...


16 posted on 09/18/2014 8:00:53 PM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: ClearCase_guy
Borders are questionable and social contracts meaningless

Yup.

It's all about feelings. Today. Or maybe, tomorrow. What ever. Is the new iPhone cool or what?

the western world today seems to be run by adolescents (regardless of their calendar age).

17 posted on 09/18/2014 8:13:11 PM PDT by llevrok (Straight. Since 1950.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan

Ukraine seems to be doing pretty well against Russia.


18 posted on 09/18/2014 8:23:20 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Now is not the time for fear. That comes later.")
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To: Rusty0604; GeronL
The details of Scotland’s grievances are almost the diametrical opposite of those of, say, the Tea Party or Swedish right-wingers.

California wants to split into two states. Obama supports a move by some Hawaiians to secede. But they gotta pick on the "right wingers" and champion the damned Socialists.

19 posted on 09/18/2014 8:29:38 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Hey Obama: If Islamic State is not Islamic, then why did you give Osama Bin Laden a muslim funeral?)
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To: Perdogg

Rolfing

Me too!


20 posted on 09/18/2014 8:38:19 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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