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To: DiogenesLamp
This is poor logic.

The theoretical cop in your examples is not forcing anyone to be enslaved or led to their deaths against their will.

Your analogy is fatally flawed. People at that parade, for reasons unfathomable to me, actually want to be there.

Also, the Founders did not execute sodomites.

If any sodomite had ever been executed in this country, he would years ago have been transformed into a famous martyr, with schools named after him, an award-winning New York Times bestseller biography of him, a commemorative postage stamp, etc.

Don't manufacture history.

19 posted on 06/07/2014 4:12:18 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
If any sodomite had ever been executed in this country, he would years ago have been transformed into a famous martyr, with schools named after him, an award-winning New York Times bestseller biography of him, a commemorative postage stamp, etc.

Got intrigued by your comment and did a little research. According to this author, only two men are known to have been executed in English-speaking America for sodomy, both in the colonial period, and a couple more in New Netherland. See page 288.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1061&context=englishfacpubs

However, little combing of local judicial records has been done on the issue, and since sodomy was legally punishable by death throughout the colonial period and as late as the 1870s, it seems likely the real number is a good bit higher.

28 posted on 06/07/2014 4:35:27 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: wideawake
This is poor logic.

The theoretical cop in your examples is not forcing anyone to be enslaved or led to their deaths against their will.

The Cop doesn't want to be there, and he is being forced to be there against his will. I expect a bunch of the Cops feel the same way.

And you aren't grasping the point. Neither the Jews nor the Slaves were recognized as having any legal rights, so what they wanted was legally irrelevant. You want to talk about bad logic? You are demanding what is Legal on the one hand (for the officer) and what is Moral on the other. (for the Jews and the Slaves.)

You are trying to have it both ways.

Your analogy is fatally flawed. People at that parade, for reasons unfathomable to me, actually want to be there.

Mentally ill people want to play with poo, but that doesn't mean we should indulge them.

Also, the Founders did not execute sodomites.

Thomas Jefferson himself, complaining that execution was too severe a punishment for the offense of Homosexuality, proposed to the Virginia Legislature to change the punishment to castration.

Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least.

Here is Wikipedia on the topic:

In 1779, Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in sodomy,[1] however, what was intended by Jefferson as a liberalization of the sodomy laws in Virginia at that time was rejected by the Virginia Legislature, which continued to prescribe death as the maximum penalty for the crime of sodomy in that state.[2]

29 posted on 06/07/2014 4:38:37 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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