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1 posted on 05/25/2014 6:16:08 AM PDT by BobL
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A complete ban on handguns wouldn’t have worked because he would have either bought them illegally or just used different weapons.


2 posted on 05/25/2014 6:17:33 AM PDT by dinodino
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With a complete ban on handguns, only bad guys would have them....what does that accomplish.

How ‘bout a law that arms anybody that wants to be armed? An armed society is a polite society.


3 posted on 05/25/2014 6:20:27 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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One armed citizen is your answer.


5 posted on 05/25/2014 6:22:25 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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The younger Rodger apparently telegraphed his intentions. The day before the rampage, he released a YouTube video entitled "Retribution," in which he rants about women who ignored or rejected him over the past eight years, "since I hit puberty."

The obvious solution is to castrate all boys as soon as they hit puberty, right?

/S

9 posted on 05/25/2014 6:27:41 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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Terrorists ignore ALL laws. And...they usually don’t need guns to do their dirty work.

Banning guns will have ZERO effect on violence if someone is hell bent on killing people. ZERO.


10 posted on 05/25/2014 6:27:54 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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The gov’t defines mass murder as any event where 4 or more people besides the perp lose their life. Out of 317 million people, there are but a handful per year that distiguish themselves as mass murderers.

I too, cannot think of a single law or action that could stop these twisted and evil people.

Beyond the mass murderers, there are about 8,500 other murders per year. This number could be cut dramatically, but not thru gun control. The only method of cutting firearms related murders is thru criminal control.

Gun control is kind of like trying to solve drunken driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.


11 posted on 05/25/2014 6:31:05 AM PDT by umgud
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Gun control can work... in a way, and for a while, but not here. Consider what I call the “Singapore solution,” where gun crime is met by a death sentence, or perhaps caning until near death. Under those conditions—gun crime disappears. However, you also need a very tough judicial system, so that guns aren’t as necessary for personal self defense, and absolute trust in your government, so they aren’t necessary for defense against future government tyranny.

Those conditions aren’t met here. Tons of guns are available; the judicial system is too lax to frighten career criminals; and our government is untrustworthy and on the borderline of becoming downright adversarial. So, most gun control attempts here are misguided. They enhance criminal and government power by selectively affecting the law-abiding. In other words, as a society we are too disunited and corrupt. Most other countries are, as well.


16 posted on 05/25/2014 6:40:51 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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All pistols were sold to him with 10 rd magazines IAW California law. The Sheriff stated this a the news conference on Saturday. Killer had no others.


17 posted on 05/25/2014 6:41:22 AM PDT by TaMoDee (Go Pack Go! The Pack will be back in 2014!)
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His own family told the police he was insane and threatening violence.

He sent a manifesto to the news.

There is a ton of evidence on his hard drive and in the cloud via his online presence.

But when the police interviewed him, they thought he was "polite and nice." So they did nothing.

This is not a Second Amendment problem. This is a Fourth Amendment problem.

18 posted on 05/25/2014 6:44:05 AM PDT by wideawake
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There is(and Never will be)A”Smart Gun”!A gun is an”Inanimate Object”that The Left upon which The Left has bestowed”Mystical Powers”!!It can commit murder and mayhem at it’s OWN Will;therefor,We Must”BAN THEM”!!!!!!!!!!!!


19 posted on 05/25/2014 6:48:16 AM PDT by bandleader
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...”the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed...”


20 posted on 05/25/2014 6:48:19 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..)d)
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Elliot Rodgers’ Youtube threats [& “manifesto”], which reportedly included threats to murder specific family members as well as others, should have been sufficient to institutionalize or prosecute him.

In most (if not all) jurisdictions, making “terroristic threats” is a crime. Threatening to commit multiple murders, including threats against specific individuals, would certainly qualify as a “terroristic threat”.

I.E. A quick Google turned up felony prosecutions for things such as making death threats via twitter. [E.G. Harrison William Rund of St. Paul, Minnesota.]

If one can be charged with a felony for making a death threats via twitter, one could certainly be prosecuted for making death threats via Youtube.

Authorities had ample warning and opportunity to intervene in this case. Instead, they chose to do nothing.


21 posted on 05/25/2014 6:48:35 AM PDT by holymoly
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The best argument in terms of the "background checks" item is that Federal law requires medical professionals and insurance companies to protect the confidentiality of their patients' records. This means that a background check will not identify someone who is a certified psychopath unless he has a criminal record. In other words -- a background check won't identify the very type of person who you'd want to prohibit from owning a gun in the first place.
22 posted on 05/25/2014 6:50:09 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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I don’t want to give crazy people ideas, but there’s absolutely nothing stopping a crazy person from killing people in a variety of ways. This guy first killed three people with a knife. There’s been instances of people murdering large numbers of people with knives in various places around the world. The key is to find crazy people first, and limit their actions.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 6:51:25 AM PDT by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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Anything can be a weapon. Pencils, hammers, brass knuckles, pocket knife, pen, glass. If a nut like this wants to hurt people, he’ll hurt them. The topic now on CNNABCCBSMSNBC is…gun control. “This never would have happened if…” “There seems to be a pattern with white males”. “This was a hate crime…”, “I understand he was a right winger”...


24 posted on 05/25/2014 7:02:35 AM PDT by albie
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Parents, in the home, teaching their children morals and values would help more than anything.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 7:10:21 AM PDT by boycott
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I read that 3 of the victims were found stabbed to death in his apartment Haven’t heard anything more about that.


31 posted on 05/25/2014 7:21:11 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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The answer is easy.

This crime was not caused by guns.

It was caused by parents who failed to recognize that they had a very sick kid, but who now dodge their responsibility by blaming guns.

Whether they failed due to incompetence or due to a lack of will is not known, but they failed.


36 posted on 05/25/2014 7:53:50 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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People are rightfully frightened of the idea of a national mental health care system of insane asylums. However, the states are unwilling, and currently, legally unable to have effective mental health care either.

So it seems like the best bet would be for states to form compacts for multi-state mental hospitals, which could help several current problems, with states paying a fixed amount for the number of enrollees from their state.

Such mental hospitals would be subdivided into several sections. The high-security section would be for the criminally insane who represent a threat to others. Part of this would be those who also represent a suicide threat to themselves.

The medium security section would be for those who are currently a threat, but not criminal, who are treatable under supervision. This section also has a biological hazard part for those with dangerous communicable diseases like Tuberculosis, and cannot be trusted to self medicate.

The minimum security section would be for those who are not treatable, but who cannot function on their own or in a non-medical situation, like those with advanced dementia or persistent coma. A part of this are for those who are regarded as trustees, who can help with simple chores and live in “group home” settings to help each other.


40 posted on 05/25/2014 9:03:03 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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One law that would have prevented all these murders would have been to require everyone to be armed in public. These cowards crave the feeling of power over defenseless people. If all the victims could shoot back they would have no power.
41 posted on 05/25/2014 9:11:43 AM PDT by logic101.net (How many more children must die on the altar of gun control?)
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