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China's Great Wall of Credit Begins to Crumble
Zero Hedge ^ | 1/25/2014

Posted on 01/26/2014 5:33:57 AM PST by EBH

China’s credit-fueled bubble economy is falling to pieces before our very eyes.

Between 2008 and 2013, China’s credit market increased from $9 trillion to an incredible $23 trillion.

To give this number some perspective, China’s GDP is a little over $7 trillion. So China today has a credit market well north of 300% of its GDP.

There is simply no other way to view this than as a bubble. Indeed, we see all of the clear signs of a bubble in the real estate markets today with countless ghost cities, massive empty malls, and other excess capacity.

What’s truly stunning to witness however, is the fact that in spite of all of this expansion in credit, China’s GDP growth continues to fall.

Indeed, GDP is now trending downwards for the first time in a decade. China’s Government has realized that this is a major problem for the country and so has announced that “GDP is no longer a measure of success.”

This is an incredible admission from the Chinese Government as everyone on the planet knows China’s GDP measure has been a work of fiction for decades. The fact that GDP growth is slowing in spite of all the manipulation of the metric is a major sign that things are sharply turning for the worse in the People’s Republic.

Indeed, we get additional indications that China’s economic data is dramatically overstated from other less massaged metrics.

China recently announced that it would be implementing a crackdown on fraudulent trade invoicing. It is not coincidence that right after this, China posted a truly horrible steel export results for the month of May: a mere 1% increase from the year before (hardly the stuff of which 8% GDP growth is made of).

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: china; chinacredit; chinacrisis

1 posted on 01/26/2014 5:33:57 AM PST by EBH
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To: EBH
So if they ChiCom government admits that the GDP numbers were faked, we really have no idea what is going on over there.

In that case, the $23 billion of credit can suddenly become 400% or 500% of GDP.

Looks like the Chinese that have been stockpiling natural resources have already voted with their money.

2 posted on 01/26/2014 5:58:24 AM PST by texas booster (Join FreeRepublic's Folding@Home team (Team # 36120) Cure Alzheimer's!)
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To: EBH

Speaking of “massaged metrics”…It’s the “new normal”. “Hope and change”? It’s what happens when socialists/totalitarians/criminals are running the show.


3 posted on 01/26/2014 5:59:41 AM PST by PGalt
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To: EBH

Why i the data cited 6 months or more old in this article; steel exports for May, first quarter 2013 energy growth?


4 posted on 01/26/2014 6:16:35 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: EBH

Revelation:
The Sixth Trumpet
…15And the four angels, who had been prepared for the hour and day and month and year, were released, so that they would kill a third of mankind. 16The number of the armies of the horsemen was two hundred million; I heard the number of them. 17And this is how I saw in the vision the horses and those who sat on them: the riders had breastplates the color of fire and of hyacinth and of brimstone; and the heads of the horses are like the heads of lions; and out of their mouths proceed fire and smoke and brimstone.…


5 posted on 01/26/2014 6:21:34 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf

Sorry. Revelation 9: 15-17


6 posted on 01/26/2014 6:22:04 AM PST by cuban leaf
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To: EBH

Blah, blah, blah...


7 posted on 01/26/2014 6:23:49 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: EBH

Not at all sure what this article is about.

China is doing fine. Because America has sent a whole bunch of American jobs there, and now they are Chinese jobs.

Then, America simply buys things from China. Eliminating American workers from the process completely.

The problem with this is, no American workers, means no American growth, and no American taxes. So we continue to shrink, and China continues to grow.

Enough. Bring back American jobs.


8 posted on 01/26/2014 6:29:08 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: EBH
"Such is the fate of all who are greedy for money; it robs them of life."

Proverbs 1:19

We may see a crash that makes 1929, 1987, and 2008 look like Sunday picnics.

Then the world will look for a "global" solution, and man with a plan to get us there.

9 posted on 01/26/2014 6:32:57 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: texas booster; cuban leaf
Looks like the Chinese that have been stockpiling natural resources have already voted with their money.

Asia has been buying back and hoarding real gold for several years now, and Germany is finally getting back their gold from the Fed after being stonewalled for months and months.

They know what is coming.

10 posted on 01/26/2014 6:35:05 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

And the joke on the Chinese is we pay them for real stuff with Bernanke Bucks made up from thin air. suckers.


11 posted on 01/26/2014 7:15:54 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Kozak
And the joke on the Chinese is we pay them for real stuff with Bernanke Bucks made up from thin air. suckers.

The obvious question. Is it worse to be the man who owes a large debt and cannot pay, or to be his debter?

12 posted on 01/26/2014 7:26:56 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

What are they going to do repossess their stuff?


13 posted on 01/26/2014 7:29:49 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: Kozak
What are they going to do repossess their stuff?

They're in the process of building a large blue water navy. They just might want to come over for a visit.

14 posted on 01/26/2014 7:39:17 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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To: Kozak

Yeh they loaned us $1.1 trillion. How smart could they be? :-)


15 posted on 01/26/2014 7:49:00 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: gusopol3

Because it goes hand in hand with

Looming $500 million default to test China’s banking system
http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/24/investing/icbc-china-default/index.html?section=money_mostpopular

A high-yield investment product offered by China’s largest bank is facing imminent default, an event that will cost investors millions and raise questions about the country’s banking system.

The doomed 3 billion yuan ($500 million) trust — cheerfully named Credit Equals Gold #1 Collective Trust Product — is expected to go belly up at the end of January, the victim of a soured loan to a troubled coal mining company.


Along with “Bank-Run Fears Continue; HSBC Restricts Large Cash Withdrawals” Following research last week suggesting that HSBC has a major capital shortfall, the fact that several farmer’s co-ops were unable to pay back depositors in China, and, of course, the liquidity crisis in China itself, news from The BBC that HSBC is imposing restrictions on large cash withdrawals raising a number of red flags. The BBC reports that some HSBC customers have been prevented from withdrawing large amounts of cash because they could not provide evidence of why they wanted it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25861717


Remember China is still a centrally controlled government and one doesn’t truly know ‘how things really are’ until the fall happens.

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16 posted on 01/26/2014 8:49:41 AM PST by EBH ( The Day of the Patriot has arrived.)
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To: fella

Sure. Red Dawn.
On my list of things to worry about that’s near the bottom.


17 posted on 01/26/2014 9:19:32 AM PST by Kozak ("Send them back your fierce defiance! Stamp upon the cursed alliance! To arms, to arms in Dixie!)
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To: EBH

was just ther last week - in shanghain there are a third fewer cranes then 2 years ago and only 1 in 10 was actually operating while I was there. Given rent for a crane of those sizes I found that particularly odd. One building in suzhou (i call it the pants building because it looks like a pair of upright jeans) has been underway for the full 2 years when similar were completed in 1/2 that time. I’m convinced things are worse than most know and that they are slowing down quickly now.


18 posted on 01/26/2014 10:11:59 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: SkyPilot

QID and Gold stocks.... At least some things are better than stocks and money.


19 posted on 01/26/2014 5:35:53 PM PST by Jumper
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