Posted on 12/10/2013 7:24:30 AM PST by Carriage Hill
5.45 x 39 ... or a well equipped .22lr with a wide assortment of ammo velocities. I like the 60 grain Aguila for in close and personal work out of shorter barrels ... that tumbling projectile makes nice ragged holes and would hurt like hell, especially with three or four in a tight grouping.
yours would have to follow post 18
In reality, unless we are talking about an extreme, permanent cataclysm, I submit that post-SHTF you will not find cause to fire a shot in anger.
True enough. I just am amused by those who assume “primitive” methods are “easier” than modern methods of fabrication.
For example, we think of stone tools/weapons as extremely primitive. But if you attempt to actually make an even semi-functional one, which I have, I think you’ll be surprised by the high level of skill and/or practice needed.
Making something similar to Clovis points is extremely difficult.
If trying to survive in place, the shotgun with shot and slug should be with you always, and a good 9mm Glock (I prefer the 19) with a carbine like the sub 2000 for Glock mags nearby. The rifle and pistol can be suppressed fairly easily, and the carbine needs no spring boost that the pistol requires for repeated semi auto firing. 22lr is also easily suppressed ...
Remington Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 36 Grain Plated Lead Hollow Point Bucket of 1400 $62.99 = $0.045 a round (backorder).
Remington Thunderbolt Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 40 Grain Lead Round Nose Box of 500 (Bulk) $21.99 = $0.044 a round (backorder).
CCI Mini-Mag High Velocity Ammunition 22 Long Rifle 36 Grain Plated Lead Hollow Point Box of 5000 $325.99 = $0.065 a round (backorder).
They had ammo in stock other than the overpriced Eley (which they still have today) back on Saturday, but that's gone. Still, if you backorder, which I did for just over half of my order, it will come in at the quoted price. That's a whole lot better than 20 trips to WalMart to finally get there when they have 22 LR ammo at their reasonable prices, or paying more than $0.10 a round at the online shops that are more or less consistently in stock.
Effing with batteries for lead will kill you faster than whatever it is you plan to shoot at, you’ll be taking yourself out. Seriously, even in desparation, it’s a bad, bad idea. Even in an extremely desperate situation, it’s still a bad idea.
I hope you are right, but I have my doubts - depending on how close one lives to a city. One should be prepared, and fortunately, 22 LR (to some extent), 12 ga, and 30 cal are all good for both bringing in food and shots fired in anger.
Any clue on how long a backorder would take to be filled?
I backorder Feral/American Eagle 38 gr in 4000 count because when it does come in you get the first boxes until they run out again. Being on their ‘notify me’ list is a waste of time unless you stay 24/7 on the Internet checking your email. A 500 count brick is easy to shoot up in a month. I am running very low on 60 gr Aguila ...
I have actually been wondering the same thing quite recently. I tend to prefer the .45 and 12ga but have recently begun considering what rifle calibre might be most available and therefore most easily attainable when ammo stocks need repleneshing? 5.56mm, .257, 30-30, 30-06, .308, it all gets rather confusing after a bit...
Also, what other guages than the 12ga would be good to concentrate on?
My last backorder there was about a year ago, and it took a month. Now, I'd guess that's longer, although I have no idea how much longer, but it will come in MUCH cheaper than ordering in stock from other sources.
Well, that depends on how you define “most available.”
Here in the west this past spring, when you couldn’t find .223 or .308 ammo, you could find all the .270 Win and .280 Rem you wanted. The price was higher, sure, but you could find said ammo.
My personal opinion is that there are no other gauges besides 12 ga. You can get reduced recoil in 12 ga. You can get tactical loads. You can get birdshot, skeet loads, turkey loads. Why buy another weapon?
Makes sense. I don’t need it NOW.
Pretty well. About another 200 to 250 fps slower. Still launching the 7mm pills at an OK velocity.
The 7mm08 has become a great hunting round for people who are sensitive to recoil.
12ga is really the only shotgun I’m familiar with, although I have Grandpa’s single barrel 10ga. That thing’s a bear to shoot. I’m guessing .410 would be a easily stockable commodity.
Stick with the 12 ga...
there are some cool “utility rounds” that you can get for it.
flame thrower, fletchet, flare, slug, etc
If you really are in a SHTF situation you want a firearm for which you have or can get ammo. Without ammo, a firearm is just a club or throwing weapon.
The police/military will have a large supply of 9mm. Someone will always be willing to trade. (Marlin 9mm camp rifle or Taurus CT9 Carbine)
As to 22LR, it will allow you to own a lot of ammo. Also you can purchase low velocity 22 ammo that can be suppressed so as to not be too noisy. That is a plus in hunting and in avoiding being hunted. A 22 will allow you to rely on your own ammo. With luck in a pinch you might be able to barter for some 22 ammo, but I wouldn't count on it. A 22 in the right hands has been known to take down deer, polar bears and a host of large animals (but with some risk and required good shot placement.) A 22 in the hands of the Mafia has killed a lot of people (again professionals choose well in how to use it.)
A third caliber would be 12-guage shotgun, as again, police and military will have some and historically barter has been a way of getting military ammo. A 12 gauge is also very versital
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