[Laissez-faire capitalist]

“the 4D universe preceding it”

Where did the 4D universe come from?

From another universe preceding it?

That line of thought is logically fallacious — infinite regression.

Where then did the 4D universe come from?

From nothing?...

Nothing causes nothing to come into existence. Causeless effects?

Logically fallacious...

[faithhopecharity]

Each elephant stands on another one. Eventually the bottom elephant stands on a tortoise. That takes care of that.

[MeshugeMikey]

I appreciate the manner in which you phrased that.

[JSteff]

Nothing causes nothing to come into existence. Causeless effects?

And yet no energy or matter Law of Conservation of Energy points to neither being destroyed.. nor created. They can only be transformed from one state to another.

So maybe the black hole idea is not too far fetched and should be more carefully investigated before being dismissed as "bunk" opr junk or what ever you called it.

People spent time in prison or excommunicated for odd ball thoughts like the universe does not revolve around the earth... silly huh?