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2013 FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND - LIVE THREAD
Chode ^ | 7/5/2013 | Chode

Posted on 07/05/2013 1:45:26 PM PDT by Chode

f1; formulaone; grandprix


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: f1; formulaone; grandprix

Nürburgring

Race Date: 07 Jul 2013
First Grand Prix: 1951
Number of Laps: 60
Circuit Length: 5.148 km
Race Distance: 308.623 km
Lap Record: 1:29.468 - M. Schumacher (2004)

Sunny 24C

Sunny 26C


1 posted on 07/05/2013 1:45:26 PM PDT by Chode
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2nd Practice

FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND 2013

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:30.416 39
2 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:30.651 0.235 38
3 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:30.683 0.267 41
4 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:30.843 0.427 32
5 7 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:30.848 0.432 27
6 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:31.056 0.640 39
7 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:31.059 0.643 41
8 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:31.304 0.888 35
9 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.568 1.152 37
10 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:31.797 1.381 40
11 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:31.824 1.408 34
12 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:31.855 1.439 42
13 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:32.055 1.639 39
14 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1:32.086 1.670 36
15 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1:32.495 2.079 39
16 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1:32.762 2.346 44
17 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1:32.879 2.463 35
18 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:32.880 2.464 36
19 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1:33.695 3.279 38
20 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1:33.804 3.388 40
21 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 1:34.017 3.601 10
22 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1:34.667 4.251 39

2 posted on 07/05/2013 1:47:28 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

http://www.dw.de/f1-drivers-threaten-german-gp-boycott-over-tire-failures/a-16930682


3 posted on 07/05/2013 1:49:27 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Chode

4 posted on 07/05/2013 1:50:45 PM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Chode
I will wait (smartly, I think, if I say so myself...) until after the German GP before I comment on the tire situation.

I still think Pirelli should be replaced by next season.....

5 posted on 07/05/2013 1:51:46 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Doogle
thx as always...
6 posted on 07/05/2013 2:04:20 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: jeffc
they've been racing against the tires and not the other teams all season, now the tires are fighting back...
7 posted on 07/05/2013 2:05:59 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
Ha ha!

Only too true (sadly). More restrictions and a bad choice of a tire provider leave less actual driver-to-driver racing. It ends up being who can bend the rules the most without breaking them and still win.

8 posted on 07/05/2013 2:34:15 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: jeffc
100%
9 posted on 07/05/2013 2:45:37 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

I’m tyred of hearing about tyre problems. Supply safe tires, and do it now.

Pirelli ought to say they won’t supply unsafe tires.

Somebody is going to get killed. I remember Senna, complaining about safety.

If a tread is separating because a team intentionally or unintentionally uses low pressure, that is the team’s fault.

If a team intentionally or accidentally runs the tire in the wrong direction, that is the team’s fault.

If Pirelli knows those to be the case, give specifics and clear yourselves.

The current standoff puts the drivers unnecessarily at great risk.

Get it solved.


10 posted on 07/05/2013 3:05:41 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
yup...
11 posted on 07/05/2013 3:11:15 PM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Doogle

Dang, one of three F1 races I have on my ‘bucket’ list, along with Spa (#1) and Monaco (just for the history). Suzuka is another one I’d like to see.


12 posted on 07/05/2013 5:28:27 PM PDT by Betis70 (Bruins! We want the Cup!)
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To: Chode
the Grid...

FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND 2013

Pos No Driver Team Q1 Q2 Q3 Laps
1 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:31.131 1:30.152 1:29.398 14
2 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:31.269 1:29.992 1:29.501 14
3 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:31.428 1:30.217 1:29.608 14
4 7 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 1:30.676 1:29.852 1:29.892 15
5 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1:31.242 1:30.005 1:29.959 16
6 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 1:31.081 1:30.223 1:30.528 16
7 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:30.547 1:29.825 1:31.126 17
8 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:30.709 1:29.962 1:31.209 15
9 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.181 1:30.269 16
10 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 1:31.132 1:30.231 13
11 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:31.322 1:30.326 10
12 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1:31.322 1:30.697 18
13 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 1:31.498 1:30.933 16
14 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1:31.681 1:31.010 17
15 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:31.320 1:31.010 15
16 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 1:31.629 1:31.104 12
17 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 1:31.693 8
18 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1:31.707 6
19 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 1:32.937 8
20 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 1:33.063 9
21 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 1:33.734 8
22 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 1:34.098 9
Q1 107% Time 1:36.885

13 posted on 07/06/2013 7:44:29 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
I'm amazed at what Kimi has done this year with the ride he has drawn

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14 posted on 07/06/2013 8:07:10 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: jeffc
or maybe return to more than one tire supplier?

10 cylinders would be nice again too ... ha

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15 posted on 07/06/2013 8:09:25 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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isn't there a problem also with the use of tires on the wrong side of the car?

because of another of Bernie's asshat rules, everyone is trying to stretch the life of a limited number of tires.

I don't remember the term of art for building a tire specific to one side of the car ... A___?

so some teams in practice are scrubbing the tires in their correct placement than switching them over for the race.

the reason being that one edge of the tire wears more rapidly on certain tracks so moving the tires from left to right gives the lesser worn side a chance to scrub when they're run in a race and in theory a longer life ... but now the tires which have belts with a specific bias are on the wrong side for the race

I remember this nightmare with cross mounted Michelin XWXs back in the early 70s ... the steel belts laterally slid out the sidewall below the tread and only the sound of the steel strands brushing against the fender walls saved the day

If this is going to be allowed, and it is extremely dangerous as the belt then wants to fly out from under the tread, then the tires should be placed on the wrong sides for the practice and placed back on the correct side with the less worn edge for the long haul of the race. Bottom line it's another of Bernie's 'green' rules and regulations (one tank of gas, smaller and smaller engines, fewer engines, transmissions and tires) which continue to degrade the sport faster than a cross mounted Pirelli

Bernie's green regs have become the EPA of F1 - sport and safety be damned

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16 posted on 07/06/2013 8:46:35 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
100% i've been rooting for him all year!
17 posted on 07/06/2013 9:01:22 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Elle Bee
i know race tread tires are directional but i never knew slicks were...

that little shite bernie can't achieve room temperature fast enough for me

maybe when the mutt is gone we can get back to real racing again

18 posted on 07/06/2013 9:07:21 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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Evidence of tire swapping :

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19 posted on 07/06/2013 9:26:16 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
Tire swapping?

Pictures of tires?

I didn't see any tires. I'll have to look again.....and again.....

20 posted on 07/06/2013 9:44:20 AM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: jeffc
well you can get tired of tires but then there are some parts of the sport that just get better and I never tire of

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21 posted on 07/06/2013 10:20:05 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
looks like proof to me...

22 posted on 07/06/2013 11:03:05 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode
another race weekend and another good race chopped and shopped by NBC . I'm watching it live on a spanish satellite station .... at 11 EST we will be treated to an edited time delayed race by NBC

I miss SPEED's coverage

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23 posted on 07/07/2013 6:38:10 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Chode
shoulda had Kimi pit while he was 15sec up in P1! just damn...
24 posted on 07/07/2013 6:46:44 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Elle Bee
go here, there are usually 4-8 links but look for the SKY link if it's there, always live and never any commercials...

VIP-TV/F1

i post two links at the top of each live thread

25 posted on 07/07/2013 7:00:13 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS SANTANDER VON DEUTSCHLAND 2013

Provisional Results
Pos No Driver Team Laps Time/Retired Grid Pts
1 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 60 Winner 2 25
2 7 Kimi Räikkönen Lotus-Renault 60 +1.0 secs 4 18
3 8 Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 60 +5.8 secs 5 15
4 3 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 60 +7.7 secs 8 12
5 10 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 60 +26.9 secs 1 10
6 5 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 60 +27.9 secs 9 8
7 2 Mark Webber Red Bull Racing-Renault 60 +37.5 secs 3 6
8 6 Sergio Perez McLaren-Mercedes 60 +38.3 secs 13 4
9 9 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 60 +46.8 secs 11 2
10 11 Nico Hulkenberg Sauber-Ferrari 60 +49.8 secs 10 1
11 14 Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 60 +53.7 secs 12
12 19 Daniel Ricciardo STR-Ferrari 60 +56.9 secs 6
13 15 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 60 +57.7 secs 15
14 12 Esteban Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 60 +60.1 secs 14
15 16 Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 60 +61.9 secs 18
16 17 Valtteri Bottas Williams-Renault 59 +1 Lap 17
17 20 Charles Pic Caterham-Renault 59 +1 Lap 22
18 21 Giedo van der Garde Caterham-Renault 59 +1 Lap 20
19 23 Max Chilton Marussia-Cosworth 59 +1 Lap 21
Ret 18 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Ferrari 22 +38 Laps 16
Ret 22 Jules Bianchi Marussia-Cosworth 21 +39 Laps 19
Ret 4 Felipe Massa Ferrari 3 +57 Laps 7

26 posted on 07/07/2013 7:49:53 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Elle Bee
Evidence of tire swapping :

All you have to do is look at which way the writing on the sidewall runs! Front to back or back to front!

27 posted on 07/07/2013 8:33:53 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Elle Bee
I don't remember the term of art for building a tire specific to one side of the car ... A___?

Asymmetric? Those are *not* necessarily directional, though!

28 posted on 07/07/2013 8:41:28 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Chode
thanks

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29 posted on 07/07/2013 10:21:52 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Elle Bee
welcome... like i said Sky is the best out of several links, and it does NOT require any downloaded app and i simply close any link that does
30 posted on 07/07/2013 10:59:56 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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