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Vanity: What is the gunshow loophole?
vanity | 06/18/13 | self

Posted on 06/18/2013 9:08:35 AM PDT by Sherman Logan

I continuously see claims that "we must close the gunshow loophole" in the MSM. But on FR most people seem to assume there is no such loophole.

I've tried to research exactly what this loophole is supposed to be, but one side seems to take its existence as self-evident and therefore needing no definition, and the other as an equally obvious negative.

I would really appreciate an explanation of what this loophole is supposed to be, and perhaps of why it isn't one.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; gunshow; loophole; secondamendment
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To: jboot
You can still rent a table without an FFL, but you can't sell firearms.

Thanks, that's what I was trying to find out.

41 posted on 06/18/2013 10:01:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: jboot; Sherman Logan

>>You can still rent a table without an FFL, but you can’t sell firearms. <<

WRONG! You can still rent a table without an FFL, and you can sell firearms. The show broker will make you sign a form saying that you are not a licensed dealer and you have sold X number of guns in the past 12 months. Most brokers will allow you to sell up to ten guns if you have not sold any guns in the preceding 12 months. Don’t get caught lying on the form! You will go to federal prison.


42 posted on 06/18/2013 10:48:00 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

“It is not trivial to buy a gun on the internet. All of this is the minimum required by law.”

All true, unless....the buyer & seller reside in the same state. I have bought guns on gunbroker.com & it’s a simple transaction in our state. Law enforcement division recommends writing a receipt with both driver’s license numbers to confirm the weapon changing hands, but that’s all.

“Gun show loophole” is liberal poppycock.


43 posted on 06/18/2013 10:49:37 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: killermosquito

>>someone could easily go on the internet and buy guns. Is this true?<<

Yes. Take a look at http://www.armslist.com/classifieds/north-carolina Only buy from or sell to someone who can present identification showing that they are current residents of (in your case) North Carolina. You don’t need to copy any info from their license but make them prove to you that they are current state residents.


44 posted on 06/18/2013 10:52:29 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: elcid1970

There is no law saying private individuals must maintain records of gun sales.


45 posted on 06/18/2013 10:53:38 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: B4Ranch

Okay. If true, sounds like this is the gunshow loophole they’re complaining about.

Do the firearms you sell using this approach go through any kind of background check?


46 posted on 06/18/2013 10:56:36 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: ExGeeEye
... the state would be required to issue a citizen at least a basic no-frills firearm upon proof of financial hardship.

I don't know how comfortable I'd be with the folks who get issued Obamaphones being issued a firearm at my expense.

47 posted on 06/18/2013 10:56:44 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: B4Ranch

Correct ... BUT it is a good idea to keep records since lawsuits can crop up. I sell from my private collection occasionally and I have taken to getting a driver’s license number to keep alongside the serial number of the ‘tool’ sold. BTW, I have a nice Rockola Carbine I would let go of, for the right price.


48 posted on 06/18/2013 10:57:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: B4Ranch

True, but it’s not a bad idea. If a gun I once owned was used in a crime & traced back to me, I would produce the receipt, “Nope, sold that one years ago, check it out.”


49 posted on 06/18/2013 10:58:01 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: Sherman Logan

No, as long as you are selling to a current state resident. Every state has their own laws. Some states want the buyer to get a permit first but the seller doesn’t need permission to sell.


50 posted on 06/18/2013 11:01:22 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: elcid1970

If you were to only buy from neighbors that would never be an issue because it couldn’t be traced back to you.

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Could it, Senator Schumer? I hope you dump your lunch seeing this in print.


51 posted on 06/18/2013 11:04:28 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Sherman Logan

>>Do the firearms you sell using this approach go through any kind of background check?<<

If you think perchance that you are selling a stolen weapon, just toss it in the river. Don’t get yourself mixed up with hot guns.


52 posted on 06/18/2013 11:07:10 AM PDT by B4Ranch (AGENDA: Grinding America Down ----- http://vimeo.com/63749370)
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To: Sherman Logan

Others have posted, but it depends on the gun show promoter’s policy and state law. Federal law only factors in if you exceed the limits below which you are considered a private seller.


53 posted on 06/18/2013 11:08:13 AM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: nobamanomore
If you purchase a gun off the internet, it must be shipped to an FFL dealer, and you of course fill out the same forms and are subject to the same instant check. I get tired of the idiots talking about a gun show loophole, and that you can just order guns off the internet “no questions asked”.

Unless you and the seller are close to each other, in which case you can do a face-to-face private transaction. It's not the internet, it's shipping the firearm via common carrier that triggers the requirement that it go to an FFL.

54 posted on 06/18/2013 11:15:55 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: B4Ranch
If you think perchance that you are selling a stolen weapon, just toss it in the river. Don’t get yourself mixed up with hot guns.

Dealers and pawn shop owners will generally run a check on the serial number to verify they're not about to buy stolen property.

55 posted on 06/18/2013 11:23:37 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: B4Ranch
You can still rent a table without an FFL, and you can sell firearms.

Not in any state I've attended shows in for the past two decades. No FFL, no firearm sales. It may be different elsewhere. I see how this could be contstrued as a "gun show loophole".

56 posted on 06/18/2013 11:25:33 AM PDT by jboot (It can happen here because it IS happening here.)
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To: absolootezer0

I have never bought over the Internet since it sounded a bit complicated and risky. Also, it is sight unseen and so what happens if there is some issue with the firearm? Good luck returning it or getting it repaired.

I have never bought via the “loophole” either so I am not a good candidate nor an expert.


57 posted on 06/18/2013 11:53:08 AM PDT by dhs12345
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To: Bell407Pilot
What I have not been able to get someone to explain to me satisfactorily is why does a background check of me need to list the number, make and model of each gun I am purchasing? Is the check of me or the gun? Why do they need to know what gun I am buying?
58 posted on 06/18/2013 12:00:36 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

At the Washington Arms Collectors gun shows here in Washington state, you must be a member (background checked) and are supposed to only sell to another member (who is also background checked). If you are caught selling to a non-member, you are kicked out of the gun show (I think for life).


59 posted on 06/18/2013 12:03:32 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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To: jboot; Sherman Logan
"You can still rent a table without an FFL, but you can't sell firearms."

I think this depends on the state and the gun show promoters rules. I am pretty sure here in WA at Washington Arms Collectors shows, non-FFL holders (private citizens) can rent a table and sell their collection, but only to members (who have been checked).

I think there are laws regarding how many sales in a year makes you a dealer and you would need to get an FFL....

60 posted on 06/18/2013 12:09:45 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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