https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FppW5ml4vdw
Posted on 04/08/2013 6:31:24 PM PDT by annalex
I am not sure whom else to ping on this.
Why am I not surprised.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FppW5ml4vdw
Bumping the participants on that thread.
I have an old Guiness Book of World Records which lists that Stalin murdered 35 million.
They list Chairman Mao as the most prolific murderer in history. His number was 60 million.
These figures do not include war casualties.
I have no idea how they arrived at those figures.
Part of the strategy of the Left is to separate communism from its implementation in the Soviet Union, China, Vietnam, etc. The Soviet ideologues set the tone themselves, carefully distinguishing between communist theory and socialist, yet to be "perfected", reality. The fact remains that there has been no humane implementation of a society whose aim would be communism.
Thank you for the illustration of the horrid demographics of communism.
I don’t really have a ping list. Maybe I should start one.
Neither do I. They are all roundabout estimates. Kurganov's seems the only reliable approach, but it cannot distinguish direct murder from artificial famine or unnecessary wars, or casualties contrary to any military sense even in a defensive war.
The Lives Of Others is really a good film.
Interesting, and important to note. We have had our differences in the past, Annalex, which differences won’t magically go away, however, on the subject of communism I doubt we have any differences.
Just an aside: I happened to have attended the first convention of RUKH (the umbrella group that encompassed all non-communist political/opposition parties in Ukraine at the time) in Kiev in the fall of 1990. The most striking thing at that event was the showing of an English film documentary based on Robert Conquest’s book, Harvest of Sorrow, (about the Holodomor, the famine artificially induced by the Bolsheviks in Ukraine of the 1930’s). As the film began it was watched by several hundred Ukrainians in the outer lobby area of the downtown convention center while the political discussions proceeded inside. More and more joined the crowd watching the movie. I must say that I have never seen a film have such an effect on an audience. People were aghast, many weeping. This was not fantasy to those who viewed in that day. It was, at last, the public and documented explanation of what happened to their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents.
Coming to a country near you with 100% certainty.
Thank you for posting this.
This is why they are so dangerous, because once the commies are done 20 Million People always lay dead.
Stupid college kids never think about that.
Wish I could say the same for the Bastard Walter "Pulitzer Prize winning for Genocide denial" Durante!
A good summary of these casualties due to communism can be found in three Senate-commissioned studies: Senate Internal Security Subcommittee (SISS), Sen. Judiciary Committee:
“The Human Cost of Communism in the Soviet Union”, apprx. 1970, Robert Conquest, author of “The Great Terror
“The Human Cost of Communism in China”, Prof. Richard Walker (Un. of S.Carolina), 1971
“The Human Cost of Communism in Vietnam”, 1972, Max Friedman and David Martin (SISS)
Challenging testimony hearing, “Testimony of D. Gareth Porter”, 1972 and subsequent rebuttal hearing
“The Human Cost of Communism in Vietnam: Testimony of Daniel Teodoru”, late 1972/early 1973
In the 1990’s, French scholars produced an updating book “The Black Box of Communism” which is the master study of all of the above.
Some of these hearings are online.
A book, on the topic, that may be of interest is:
The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression by Jean-Louis Panné, Andrzej Paczkowski, Karel Bartosek and Jean-Louis Margolin
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