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Disturbing Leaked Video Shows Alleged Mistreatment of Maine Inmate Bound to Chair
The Blaze ^ | 3/21/2013 | Jason Howerton

Posted on 03/21/2013 8:23:54 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear

This is pretty disturbing.

I, personally, have dealt with anxiety and panic attacks, or PTSD (because of a lot of family trauma). This guy is clearly exhibiting the symptoms. Do I know his situation? No. Do I believe in waterboarding of terrorists trying to destroy our country? Absolutely. So, let's get THAT out of the way.

I will expect to get flamed. That's OK. PTSD is a misunderstood condition.

Been through a lot in my life. Getting stronger every day! :-) Can't imagine what a soldier may go though.

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1 posted on 03/21/2013 8:23:54 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Those guys are dressed as gladiators.

I am disgusted by what my government has become.


2 posted on 03/21/2013 9:00:25 PM PDT by glasseye
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Maine is a very violent state.


3 posted on 03/21/2013 9:08:02 PM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear
I liked this quote from the article:

"Meanwhile, the Department of Corrections in the state has assigned an investigator to figure out how the video of the incident got leaked."

IOW, find out who ratted us out and fix them good.

Thugs, so brave when it is several of them on one.

4 posted on 03/21/2013 9:10:13 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Where is the mistreatment?


5 posted on 03/21/2013 9:12:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

The mistretment is in spraying pepper spray into the face of a restrained person. of such capacity that it was only to be used on crowds in large open areas.

Then placing a mask on the man’s face and leaving it there to keep the pepper spray in his lungs and on his face, while he is begging and saying he can’t breathe, for way too long. There was no need for this.

Go read the comments beneath the article.

If you can’t recognize this is torture and unnecessary, or even “cruel and unusual punishment” then you are a very mentally sick person.

And/or a thug law enforcement type.


6 posted on 03/21/2013 9:21:27 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears
And/or a thug law enforcement type.

That's what people say every time I defend the cops. Every time I condemn their actions I get the same mind-numbed robotic reply only calling me a cop hater. Thanks for playing, moron.

7 posted on 03/21/2013 9:25:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

You’re the moron. You don’t see any mistreatment, moron.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 9:28:34 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Your intellect is stunning. ROTFLOL


9 posted on 03/21/2013 9:29:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

Said the halfwit who watched the video and said “Where is the mistreatment?”


10 posted on 03/21/2013 9:30:43 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

Said the pinhead who thinks that there is “pepper spray for crowds” and “pepper spray for individuals.” How freaking dumb can you get?


11 posted on 03/21/2013 9:31:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

From the article: “ Capt. Shawn Welch proceeded to spray Schlosser’s face with pepper spray from a canister intended to be used on multiple people at a distance of 18 to 20 feet.”

Try reading the article next time.


12 posted on 03/21/2013 9:33:22 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

And if you see nothing wrong with that, you are the problem.


13 posted on 03/21/2013 9:34:14 PM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Hey Rush, you forgot to tell us when to panic.)
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To: Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears

I read it. I’m just not dumb enough to parrot such stupidity.
Pepper spray is pepper spray. I eat chiles far hotter than any pepper spray on the market. I’ve gotten chile seeds in my eyes far hotter than any pepper spray on the market. It’s a vegetable oil that wears off in twenty minutes. It wore off even faster in the video.


14 posted on 03/21/2013 9:35:21 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
The man was restrained.

What the officers did was wrong.

15 posted on 03/21/2013 9:36:52 PM PDT by berdie
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To: TigersEye

Then I want you to take some chopped up habanero peppers and snort them into your lungs.


16 posted on 03/21/2013 9:37:22 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: berdie

Baloney. The guy was acting psychotic and resisting every step of the way. I suppose you expect them to let psychotic inmates just go berserk while they all stand around with their thumbs up their butts.


17 posted on 03/21/2013 9:38:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: LukeL

No pepper spray on the market is as hot as habaneros for starters. I have inhaled pepper spray before and it doesn’t stop your breathing. Neither does a cloth covering your face. The guy was neurotic. Like the nincompoops on this thread.


18 posted on 03/21/2013 9:39:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

I got a can of mace for protection.

I decided to test it. A breeze blew up and it came back in my eyes and face.

I will guarantee you it was nothing like chili seeds and didn’t wear off quickly.


19 posted on 03/21/2013 9:41:54 PM PDT by berdie
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To: berdie
I have had pepper spray blow back in my face too. It wasn't a thousandth as hot as the extra hot chile seed I got in my eye.

Another problem with the article. Mace is not pepper spray and pepper spray is not mace yet it uses both terms. So, did you get mace in your eyes or pepper spray?

20 posted on 03/21/2013 9:43:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

Some pepper sprays are rated at 2 million SHU which is hotter than any pepper on the market. The inmate was already tied to a chair any further force was not justified.


21 posted on 03/21/2013 9:44:55 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: TigersEye

The guy was restrained. They could have put him in a cell and walked away until ne wore himself out.

So...are you an over active correctional officer?


22 posted on 03/21/2013 9:45:17 PM PDT by berdie
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To: TigersEye

“Where is the mistreatment?”

Are you kidding me? Where is the mistreatment? The young man has some serious mental issues, and you have 5 guards with four dressed in SWAT clothing with the CAPTAIN spraying mace in his face from a few feet that was intended for several yards. If you have never been exposed to tear gas or mace you have no idea how much he was burning then putting the face mask on him, no wonder he couldn’t breath.

The CAPTAIN was only given a month suspension. The boy was put a serious health risk just so the CAPTAIN could show who was in charge. If it had been my son and I saw this, the CAPTAIN would have no place to hide.


23 posted on 03/21/2013 9:46:55 PM PDT by longhorn too
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To: LukeL

No pepper spray is as hot as the chile I eat. I knew a self-defense instructor/gun shop owner/former cop who took his best pepper spray to his classes along with a burrito. He started his classes by spraying down his burrito with the pepper spray and eating it. It’s tame compared to good chile.


24 posted on 03/21/2013 9:47:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: longhorn too

What difference does it make what they’re dressed in? That makes it cruel? They were all as calm as could be and did nothing to rough him up. The gear was to protect them from a psycho inmate.


25 posted on 03/21/2013 9:48:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

The “extra hot chile seed” meme is not comparable.

Try another angle.


26 posted on 03/21/2013 9:48:29 PM PDT by berdie
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To: TigersEye

Regardless, you do not spray someone who does not pose a threat to you just because you can. If this were a mental health hospital would you say it was excessive force?


27 posted on 03/21/2013 9:49:45 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: longhorn too

Good freaking grief! Serious health risk!?! From what? This has turned into the biggest pussy nation of all time. OMG, did they insult his mother too?


28 posted on 03/21/2013 9:49:48 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

BS Eye-less...let’s see you deal with that treatment in your own face...strapped to a chair...with electric probes...


29 posted on 03/21/2013 9:51:06 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: berdie

Yes it is. I spit and coughed and ran phlegm out my nose for twenty straight minutes. One small chile was enough to make two gallons of green chile stew so hot you could barely eat a spoonful. It isn’t comparable because it was a thousand times hotter than any pepper spray on the market.


30 posted on 03/21/2013 9:51:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

O.K....I get it. You are just messing with everyone. :)


31 posted on 03/21/2013 9:52:38 PM PDT by berdie
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To: LukeL

He sprayed him because he was having a fit not just because. Every bit of his fit was nothing more than an emotional tantrum having nothing to do with being sprayed.


32 posted on 03/21/2013 9:53:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: berdie

No, I’m not. Not in the least.


33 posted on 03/21/2013 9:53:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

If you can’t see the problem with this, then I really feel sorry for you. The boy was restrained both feet and hands. There was no need for the spray, the CAPTAIN should not be in the position to do this to someone else. If you are ever in Maine stop by and buy a round of drinks for guards, I’m sure you would fit right in!


34 posted on 03/21/2013 9:56:32 PM PDT by longhorn too
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Electric probes? What LSD did you take? lol


35 posted on 03/21/2013 9:56:36 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

Well that’s too bad.

I always try to give a person the benefit of a doubt.


36 posted on 03/21/2013 9:56:44 PM PDT by berdie
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To: TigersEye
http://neurobonkers.com/2011/11/22/pepper-spray-cocaine-death/ People have died from pepper spray

I also doubt you have any expierence with panic and anxiety disorders.

37 posted on 03/21/2013 9:57:08 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: longhorn too
There was no need for the spray,...

post #32

No chance I'll ever go to Maine or hang with cops.

38 posted on 03/21/2013 9:58:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: LukeL
I also doubt you have any expierence with panic and anxiety disorders.

No, of course not. No chance at all. /s

39 posted on 03/21/2013 9:58:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

You didn’t answer my previous question.

Are you an over active correctional officer?


40 posted on 03/21/2013 10:01:47 PM PDT by berdie
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To: TigersEye

My point is that with panic and anxiety disorders a person isn’t thinking right, add to it bipolar disorder and a person can be an emotional wreck. After this kid was restrained he either need someone to talk to, or 20 minutes alone for his anxiety to teach a level where he could be more rational.


41 posted on 03/21/2013 10:04:24 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: berdie

I answered the same question asked by someone else. For the hard of reading I’ll be more explicit Nope, never been in any kind of law enforcement. Never been acquainted with anyone who was.


42 posted on 03/21/2013 10:06:59 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: LukeL

I thought your point was that it was a “serious health risk?” Thanks for clearing that up. Kid? He hardly looked like a kid. Yep, he was having a tantrum alright. Hence the restraints. Apparently he had been acting up for a couple of days. They got him calmed down in under 17 minutes and the captain him they would clean him up, get him medical treatment and mental health counseling as soon as he did. Can you deal with someone like that in 17 minutes?


43 posted on 03/21/2013 10:10:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

Bullshit. The heat of compounds is measured on the Scoville Scale in Scoville heat units (SHU). Habanero peppers measure between 100,000 and 400,000 SHU. Law Enforcement grade pepper spray is rated at between 1,500,000 and 2,000,000 SCU, 5 times hotter than the hotest habaneros.


44 posted on 03/21/2013 10:13:27 PM PDT by stormer
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To: stormer

Bullshit! The heat rating has nothing to do with how much you get in your eyes, nose, mouth. The peppers I have gotten in my eyes were thousands of times hotter than the pepper spray I’ve gotten in my eyes. My experience beats your statistical bullshit.


45 posted on 03/21/2013 10:15:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

I guess instead of pepper spray a blackjack to the back of the head or a taser would have done the same thing, right?


46 posted on 03/21/2013 10:16:19 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: TigersEye

You said you had blowblack hit your eyes, try a direct blast into your eyes or up your nose and then we will talk.


47 posted on 03/21/2013 10:18:24 PM PDT by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: LukeL
I guess instead of pepper spray a blackjack to the back of the head or a taser would have done the same thing, right?

If that is your suggestion, and it is, then I think we know how much you really care about the health risks. Apparently you're not going to respond to what I said.

48 posted on 03/21/2013 10:18:56 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: LukeL

I’ve had that too.


49 posted on 03/21/2013 10:19:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: BobL

“Maine is a very violent state.”

I live in Maine, and there is very little violent crime here.

People are well-armed, too.

As for this inmate, this is the first I’ve heard of this incident. So far, I haven’t seen this story mentioned on the local TV stations.


50 posted on 03/21/2013 10:19:40 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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