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To: Windflier
It's all bunk.

People say they'll stand up and fight the government with guns precisely because they never think they'll have to.

But if you tell people they need to learn the law, and stand up to the government's encroachment in a legal sense, they turrn their backs. Why? Because if they learn the law, they'll actually have to do something. And they're afraid of that.

And yet why would a rational people choose to fight with guns instead of the law? Why not use the legal environment the Founders enabled, instead of ignoring all off it and starting over from scratch after a horrible war? What kind of veteran can come back from war, and not seek out ever alternative to it, especially through the use of the Constitution itself?

The Rats know posturing when they see it, and that's why they're pushing so hard to illegitimately impose laws. Because they know people would rather say they'd fight with arms, than actually learning to effectively fight through learning the law. It's pathetic - and ultimately, it will prove catastrophic.

One Stone, Two Powers: How Chief Justice Roberts Saved America

5 posted on 03/04/2013 6:01:30 PM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Learn the law? What are you talking about? The founders did not expect us all to be lawyers constantly reading statist rules and laws. They expected us to use our Christian sense of judgement. The law was supposed to be left up to amateurs.


7 posted on 03/04/2013 6:16:09 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: Talisker

“And yet why would a rational people choose to fight with guns instead of the law?”

Because there are times when a strongly-worded letter or a summons to court fall well short of the mark.


9 posted on 03/04/2013 6:17:46 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Talisker
...why would a rational people choose to fight with guns instead of the law? Why not use the legal environment the Founders enabled, instead of ignoring all off it and starting over from scratch after a horrible war?

Because the system the Framers left us, has been subverted and rigged to favor those who would undo everything that generations of Americans lived and died to build.

If you think we can vote or lawyer our way out of this tyranny, you've got an awakening coming that's going to feel like hitting a brick wall.

Ballot Box - broken
Jury Box - broken
Soap Box - broken
Cartridge Box - check

The dirty little secret is that 'the system' has become a sham, intended to quell the little people, and to make them believe that their voice still makes a difference. Well, it doesn't make a difference, which should be painfully obvious by now.

We have to confront the fact that we're going to have to elevate the nature of our resistance to a level that actually impinges on the usurpers and destroyers. Until then, we're going to spin our wheels, thinking that we can 'somehow get through to them', or out politic them in some way.

That's the very definition of insanity. We literally have to throw the bastards out. What will that take? Probably millions of Americans getting on their feet and directly confronting these monsters with a will that refuses to be denied.

You ask me, we're getting closer and closer to that point every day of this abomination.

14 posted on 03/04/2013 6:35:50 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Talisker

We are decades past the point of making that work.


16 posted on 03/04/2013 6:38:07 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Talisker

Did the founders use the ballot box. Did they take polls and use them to decide what to do? They did talk to the king and his lackeys. How did that work out. They did not take the ordeal that was to become the American Revolution lightly. But all other recourse was expended or ineffective, and so, after a long bloody struggle, you got the United States of America and the Constitution.

Hell, if you want to vote on the Constitution, then go ahead. Me, I’ll just read it, take it at face value, and go from there. If that’s OK with you? Or, even if that’s not OK with you.

My country is a representative republic. Based on the Constitution. Not on the whims of the majority or the bribes paid to the whores who populate Washington.


25 posted on 03/04/2013 7:48:23 PM PST by saleman
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To: Talisker

I certainly haven’t advocated a shooting war. I haven’t seen anyone that does. But if I’m attacked, and I’m able, I will defend myself. The Feds are the ones who will fire the first shot, If they haven’t already. If you see self defense as starting a war then we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

As for the law. I’m not a lawyer. There are a whole bunch of them in Washington. And hundreds of thousands of them around the country. I read you treatise on Roberts decision. Maybe there’s some room in there for an actual
LAWYER! not me, with a lot of time on his hands to sue our way out of this. I’m still waiting for them to get started.

So, if me following the Constitution as written is in your mind advocating a shooting war then the Country is surely gone. And it may be. There are a whole bunch of our elected representatives who believe the Constitution is out of date and open to some whack out interpretation that suits their agenda. Or, they just ignore it entirely.

As for learning the law. There are hundreds of thousands of people who know the law. And, I would say there are thousands of laws on the books that are Un-Constitutional. So, next time I’m in court for violating one of their unconstitutional laws I’ll just tell’em the laws illegal and walk out?

Anyway, for starters, I believe the Gun Control Act of 1968 is unconstitutional. “Shall not be infringed” is pretty straightforward, don’t you agree? And without looking it up I’m pretty sure that has been taken before the Supreme Court. If not, then I’ll let someone more qualified than me do it. If so, then how did that work out?

As for Obama care. I’m pretty much with you on the Roberts thing. Although, at the time I thought it was a little simpler. I understand that all taxes originate in the House. Since the House was bypassed then the law should be unconstitutional. But, apparently not because not one of our Republican leaders has said a damn thing about that.


31 posted on 03/05/2013 7:18:06 AM PST by saleman
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