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The nuclear reactor in your basement
Vortex-L ^ | Thu. 21 Feb 2013 10:15:58 -0800 | Mark Gibbs

Posted on 02/28/2013 12:22:53 AM PST by Kevmo

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1 posted on 02/28/2013 12:23:04 AM PST by Kevmo
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://lenr-canr.org/


2 posted on 02/28/2013 12:24:31 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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Remember the episode of “The Beverly Hillbillies” where a guy had a pill that turned water into gasoline? Same level of science.


3 posted on 02/28/2013 1:01:07 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Born to Conserve

Same level of science.
***baloney. Some dude on a comedy fiction show is no way to make a point, because that dude didn’t have the backing of multi$billion companies such as National Instruments, STMicro, Toyota, Mitsubishi and 14,700 replications. Why would multi$billion corporations stick their neck out for a bigfoot level scientific issue? None of you supposed skeptics have answered that.


4 posted on 02/28/2013 1:04:47 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo
Really, "weak nuclear forces" ... "strong nuclear forces" ...

Grandma always said, there is one born every second or so.

5 posted on 02/28/2013 1:15:43 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: exnavy

If you don’t know that the weak nuclear force and the strong nuclear force are standard physics, you have no basis for criticising the science. Your ignorance is what is now on display.


6 posted on 02/28/2013 1:28:45 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

Oh, OK, thank you.


7 posted on 02/28/2013 1:50:22 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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“But solving that problem can wait until the theory is better understood. “From my perspective, this is still a physics experiment,” Zawodny said>

Just as I said, a lab curiosity, experiments with varying theories, outcomes and methods...and failures.

Skeptical? You bet....of the LENR powered cars, water heaters, industrial heating and robotic factories that have been so gullibly accepted.

9 posted on 02/28/2013 2:21:27 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Kevmo
I have the same problem...
I can't seem to expend more energy than what it takes to get me going;) Mrs. outofsalt has been working on this for some time and has not yet resolved the engineering issues.
10 posted on 02/28/2013 2:29:36 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: count-your-change

Lab Curiosity? One which has been replicated 14,700 times.

Thanks 4 Bumping The Thread T4BTT

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2965392/posts?page=19#19


11 posted on 02/28/2013 2:41:09 AM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: exnavy

::facepalm::

The weak and strong nuclear forces are two of the four fundamental forces in nature. (along with electromagnetism and gravity)

Weak Nuclear Force is responsible for the radioactive decay of subatomic particles and initiates the process known as hydrogen fusion in stars.

Strong Nuclear Force is the force that binds protons and neutrons together to form the nucleus of an atom.


12 posted on 02/28/2013 5:02:31 AM PST by mnehring
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To: count-your-change
"Just as I said, a lab curiosity, experiments with varying theories, outcomes and methods...and failures."

An excellent description of EVERY scientific discovery and engineering advance ever made. And typically misleading.

Also very typically skeptopath lingo, in this case, the specific meme is: "if you can't actually deny the science, make it look like it will never yield a practical result".

Meanwhile, "hot fusion" chugs along, gulping down billions of dollars in funding, and not yet having reached breakeven....a point passed by LENR with Pons and Fleischmann.

For lurkers: if you want to learn more about cold fusion, THE best reference is Charles Beaudette's book "Excess Heat". The book gives an excellent treatment of the replicated science AND some of the sociology behind LENR being branded "pathological science"......a meme regularly regurgitated by FR's skeptopath crowd.

13 posted on 02/28/2013 5:07:45 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Born to Conserve

Not quite:

http://www.amazon.com/Excess-Heat-Fusion-Research-Prevailed/dp/0967854830


14 posted on 02/28/2013 5:09:37 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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You repeat that 14,000 figure, it came from a fellow at the Chinese Academy of Science, who gathered it from claims in the literature on the subject, without the least ability to know whether it's true of not.

It's a meaningless figure, totally.

15 posted on 02/28/2013 5:23:06 AM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Kevmo

I’m not sure I understand how converting nickel to copper releases energy.

Copper has a slightly lower binding energy than nickel. Converting nickel to copper is the opposite of fission


16 posted on 02/28/2013 6:24:23 AM PST by kidd
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"I’m not sure I understand how converting nickel to copper releases energy. Copper has a slightly lower binding energy than nickel. Converting nickel to copper is the opposite of fission.

The reality is that in the Ni-H system, nobody really knows what the heck is actually going on.

Howver, for the Pd-D system the overall reaction is unquestionably 2D2 --> He4 + energy.

Enough good quality experimental evidence is available to prove that the total energy released and measured by calorimetry is very near the 24MEV per helium nucleus formed (amount of He formed typically measured by mass spec--either high resolution (to distinguish between the masses of the deuterium molecule and the helium atom) or by lower resolution with the deuterium chemicallyremoved before measurement to prevent the interfering mass spectral overlap at the lower resolution).

17 posted on 02/28/2013 7:36:38 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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So you will have to have a big family to have a 24 hour reactor watch and control room watch.


18 posted on 02/28/2013 7:48:15 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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According to Zawodny, the challenge in making this work lies at the beginning of the process, generating those ultra-slow neutrons without expending more energy than the process yields.

Kind of like wind and solar energy; they work, but the cost exceeds the value.

19 posted on 02/28/2013 8:19:21 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: count-your-change
"You repeat that 14,000 figure, it came from a fellow at the Chinese Academy of Science, who gathered it from claims in the literature on the subject, without the least ability to know whether it's true of not."

And here we have another tactic of the anti-LENR skeptopath. In this case, disparagement of the researcher and the organization he worked for. After all, the "Chinese Academy of Science" is a less than worthy organization, and anyone they employ must, by inference, be incompetent.

The reality is that the CAS's scientists are probably the equal of the US NAS, and perhaps better. And the article in question is A REVIEW ARTICLE, which is intended to be a thorough summation of the state of the science at a specific point in time. What a REAL researcher does with such an article is to "read through" and look up the original papers referenced. No single reviewer (or group of reviewers) can possibly do an in-depth check of every paper referenced....even if they work for the US NAS.

"It's a meaningless figure, totally."

Yup, that is the meme that you and the rest of the skeptopaths are selling today and every day.

20 posted on 02/28/2013 9:37:32 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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