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Big Bang bashing boffins ‘Big Bounce’ back to BIRTH OF TIME
The Register ^ | 29th November 2012 23:54 GMT | By Richard Chirgwin

Posted on 11/30/2012 11:27:15 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

>>Well it was before our Time....<<

True. And everything had to come from somewhere. Right? But Bang or Bounce.... does it really make any difference?


21 posted on 11/30/2012 12:23:18 PM PST by ILS21R (Everything... IS... a conspiracy)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“However, the CMB – which marked the “inflationary” period of the universe – poses its own much-argued mystery: why isn’t it smooth? How did the “lumps” emerge?”

Well, it’s not that hard to figure out, if you actually look at the effect of ALL the fundamental forces and stop looking myopically at gravity when you get to big scales.

We know that most gravitational bodies also emit electromagnetic fields. We know that the universe is filled with gases, which can be easily transformed into plasmas under the right conditions, which will then interact with electromagnetic fields. We know that the interaction of plasmas and magnetic fields can exhibit, in our laboratories on a smaller scale, most of the puzzling phenomena of gaseous bodies in space, include drastic compression of matter to the point of causing fusion (*cough* stellar formation *cough*).

Now, physicists know all these facts, but they don’t want to have to be bothered to examine the obvious conclusions and investigate whether they can explain “mysteries” like the structures in the CMB. They’ve invested a century or more in gravity-only cosmological models, and they aren’t about to abandon them now.


22 posted on 11/30/2012 12:25:33 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

“Does something ever come from nothing?

We just need ONE example!”

Obamacare came from Zero?


23 posted on 11/30/2012 12:26:54 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: All
From second link at post #9:

Welcome to Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial

24 posted on 11/30/2012 12:37:36 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Da Coyote

Neils Bohr to Albert Einstein

“Albert! Stop telling God what to do!”


25 posted on 11/30/2012 12:40:50 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Da Coyote
Googling ...found this:

A First Course in Loop Quantum Gravity [Hardcover]

26 posted on 11/30/2012 12:57:33 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The difference between Quantum Physics is identical to the difference between Political Correctness and simply being correct.

First law of Quantum Physics


27 posted on 11/30/2012 1:00:52 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Second law of Quantum Physics is once a theory is proven by physics, the question is not Quantum, its just Physics.

Third law stems from the above law, Nothing in Quatum Physics is proven.


28 posted on 11/30/2012 1:02:57 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Da Coyote
This looks better:

Fall Course: Quantum Mechanics for Mathematicians

29 posted on 11/30/2012 1:06:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: All; SunkenCiv
Dropping this on here....Amazon :

Not Even Wrong: The Failure of String Theory and the Search for Unity in Physical Law by Peter Woit (Sep 4, 2006)

30 posted on 11/30/2012 1:15:56 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: American in Israel
"Nothing is proven"....that is very unsatisfactory.

What are the basic premises ,,...definitons and Axioms...??

31 posted on 11/30/2012 1:18:41 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: All
I am really wandering about now ...but I see this List at Amazon :

Most lucid math books ever written

32 posted on 11/30/2012 1:23:00 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
It's a little hard to wrap my mind around this but I think I get it.

According to Big Bang theory God likes to play with IEDs.

If Big Bounce theory is right God just has a bassaball jones.

33 posted on 11/30/2012 1:28:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Red Badger
"When God said, “Let there be light!”, I’m sure there WAS A HELLUVA BANG!............"

That is why I always get a kick out of Creationists and Evolutionists arguing. It doesn't take much consideration to find that each theory proves the other.

Neither is completely understood yet but when we get the total answers we will find what Dr. Harry Wolper in the movie "Creator" knew all along: "I tell you Sid, that one of these days we'll look in to our microscope and find ourselves staring right into God's eyes..."

34 posted on 11/30/2012 1:29:12 PM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Boogieman
I think Obamacare is more the creation of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

But all three wanted a mechanism to deliver votes.

35 posted on 11/30/2012 1:45:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Mad Dawgg

The cosmologists have been telling us for decades now that the universe sprang forth from ‘nothing’, a miniscule point called a ‘A gravitational singularity or spacetime singularity’.

Well, that’s exactly what we’ve been saying for thousands of years, only in religious terms. The entire universe sprang from the mind of God, in an instant that is incomprehensible to the mind of man..........


36 posted on 11/30/2012 1:55:05 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The entire history of German metaphysics since Kant is one long voluminous groping about in the dark trying to figure out that example. They spilled a lot of ink. But they couldn’t figure out why something can’t come from nothing. They could have saved a lot of time by simply recognizing: Something (er, Someone...) has always existed.

And after that, lots of lesser things existed and still exist even today....


37 posted on 11/30/2012 4:54:53 PM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Inwoodian
How did the dense atoms come to be? Something that was and then changes cannot be the beginning.

The dense atoms (heavier than iron) are much younger. They are formed in the interference patterns resulting from a supernova.

38 posted on 11/30/2012 5:04:03 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Straight Vermonter

My question was philosophical rather than scientific. Seems to me that something that comes from something else cannot be the beginning.


39 posted on 11/30/2012 5:18:04 PM PST by Inwoodian
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To: Inwoodian

you were meant to be here


40 posted on 11/30/2012 5:54:15 PM PST by BlueDragon (in essentials, unity; in doubtful matters, liberty; in all things, charity)
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