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To: 4everontheRight

Are you investing or defending?

Investing is purchasing to increase either the monthly return on the money or to improve the principle or both. By extension, investing can be buying a business or a house and renting, etc. The idea is to improve the monthly cash flow by increasing the amount of money coming in.

Defending is protecting the principle from loss due to taxes, inflation or devaluation (currency devaluation). By extension, defending can be paying off debts or refinancing the house, etc. The idea is to improve the monthly cash flow by decreasing the amount of money flowing out.

Taking money out of a 401K to pay off debt is kind of an expensive proposition in the long run. First you will be hit with a 30% tax on the money coming out. This only makes sense if you have very high interest debt say 25% or higher credit card debt. But if you are concerned that the government is going to effectively take that investment, paying off debt does make sense.

I have seen other combine 401k withdrawal / loans to create a new monthly cash flow picture. This person had a larger home that they no longer needed but were upside down. They tapped their 401K to get right side up, then sold their home, and then borrowed on a smaller home that met their needs. Net savings was over $700 per month. This savings was then used to pay off other debts.

I am of the defensive mindset at this time. Pay of debt as fast a possible, reduce monthly expenses, etc.


18 posted on 11/20/2012 10:41:43 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
"First you will be hit with a 30% tax on the money coming out."

Hi Taxcontrol, where are you getting the 30% figure? I thought it was 10% penalty on early withdrawal from 401k with no hardship excuse.

28 posted on 11/20/2012 10:59:48 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: taxcontrol
Ok I Googled it. I am right. It is 10% penalty for early withdrawal from a 401k with no hardship. Of course then you will have to pay personal income tax which will vary.

Unless things change at the last minute, Americans who make up to $48,600 will have a 15 percent rate. Between $48,600 and $125,450 a year will have a 28 percent rate, and those who make more than $398,350 will pay a rate of 39.6 percent.

36 posted on 11/20/2012 11:12:09 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: taxcontrol
This has turned out to be a more interesting thread than I originally thought it would be...so many interesting posts! I appreciate all the posts more than I can say.

Right now I have about $128k in mutual funds. I really want to use that money to maybe buy a piece of property but not sure the best way to do that or if that is my best option. I still have a mortgage on my home and am hesitant to use that money to pay it off...only a 3.75% rate.

How does someone use a mutual fund to buy silver or gold? Any thoughts or advice on that?

I also am not sure what immediately to do with the money I withdraw...keep it in savings until I do something with it? I have never sold any of my funds before so this is all just beyond me. Almost overwhelming really.
Thanks again everyone for the information...I appreciate all the posts and opinions!
41 posted on 11/20/2012 11:26:57 AM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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