[tsowellfan]

your use of it as justification for grabbing government goodies.

I did not write the article nor did I post it. I understand the point of the article and understand where the author is coming from. We tax payers have paid into the system (and yes I say it again)but we will get none of it because it's going to others who are taking advantage of it. Some say they are actually the smart ones. I can see their point also.

I saw a taker on my way to work. A Somali in a Lexus with LIVE TV playing in his nice expensive car on the backs of the front seats for the rear passengers to watch. They were probably on their way to the casino to gamble off the money I'm going to work to pay for. That IS a system. A system that is no friend of America. A system developed to work against you and me. But it is a system. It's working as planned and Obama's going to tweek it to work even "better".

As far as my so called "justification for grabbing government goodies". I justified nothing. You may have noticed that I understood the reasons why we should NOT jump on the taker wagon. One of them being that one is limited to what he can make, and dreams and goals are shattered by grabbing government goodies. That is no justification unless you have no dreams or goals in life.

My job brings me to the poor sections once a month. That's where I get to see all of the new hi-tech gadgets comng out, satellite TV on every roof and the latest car models.

The whole point is that the whole SYSTEM is working against prosperity. That's the point.

Instead of attacking others on the same team, it's time to target the issues.

[Jumper]

My contention is that it is smart to put pressure on the budget or cause better stewardship of existing programs. A case in political history is that Bush gave Obama the first Bailout (QE) in December before Obama took office; the shrewd money was on this being a means to an end, and that end was to ensure that Cap-n-Trade did not get a treaty passed. This ploy worked because the government can only enact programs that they can afford - Obama shot the wade on bailouts.

Working within the existing political framework, conservatives taking a fair share of current programs will prevent enactment and new programs, just as in the case of W putting one over on O'bambie by helping him spend the money.

Another point is that by electing Obama who is the handout president, less than 1/2 the nation benefits - so I am saying that if you qualify for any existing program take you fair share and this will prevent Obama from doing more long term damage with new social welfare handout programs. The Dem's will never have expected to see conservatives take a fair share which will put pressure on them to now reform programs for their own voters - hand outs are not just for Democrats although we as conservatives usually would not consider, or have time to become educated on programs like these. The second part of this discussion was to have FREEPERS list all the programs they are aware of so that intuitive minds might see opportunities for political dissent or to figure out ways to short circuit Obama's constituency freebies.