Fraud. Individual usual fraud and massive manipulation of voting machines. Notice it was not done as a landslide. They were so scared by the TEA Party 2010 election results that they ramped up the fraud to ensure a dem win this time.
There will be no more “usual” fraud elections. They know how to do this now, our votes are seeming to be only an act now, send the dupes to the polls to cast manipulated votes, let the dems win almost everything. There goes America. Israel has the last remaining Leader with a capital L. I stand with Israel and against the evil Hussein who stands with his islamic “brotherhood”. We are living in a country where a “100 percent” victory for a future dem is quite possible.
I feel the same way. It just doesn’t add up. This was not 2008, and there were plenty if people who voted for the Asshat in 08 that would not vote for him now. This doesn’t fit with the 2010 movement. They knew the key states, and knowing they were close they could manipulate the out come. It sounds tin foil hat like but look at every other brazen thing they have done and gotten away with, a little election fraud ain’t know big thing for them. It’s standard Chicago operating procedure.
There MUST be heavy fines & jail time to stop it.
Look how many people bragged that they voted 3 & 4 times.The polling places had poster of Obama hanging, precint judges were wearing Obama T-shirt & hats. Republcan precinct judges were barred & a judge had to order them back in.
In the meantime, while they were booted out - there was plenty of time to stuff ballot boxes.
I don’t get it either. Romney was pulling in crowds of more than 30,000+ in the last few weeks. The Red Rocks crowd in Colorado was mind-boggling. The huge crowd in Pennsylvania on Sunday night was authentic and amazing. The photo of the parking garage in Pittsburgh from yesterday was incredible. Everywhere he and/or Ryan went, there were thousands of excited supporters.
Obama spoke to a half-empty arena Monday night. It was noted repeatedly in multiple sources that his events had FAR fewer than Romney and much fewer than his own in 2008.
Here in Florida, the GOP counties had incredible enthusiasm. Here in Democratic Leon County, there were tons of Romney signs and stickers everywhere. I was shocked that Obama won Florida, though by a tiny margin.
So...where did all these people for Romney go? I find it impossible to believe that much enthusiasm just vanished.
I agree that it all worked out just a little too conveniently for the Marxist. He got JUST enough votes in each of the swing states to put him over the top in each one. And there wasn’t even any late counting, found ballot boxes, etc. It was all built into the voting machines.
We’ll never have another real election in this country again, at least not one the feds care about.
I do not believe the exit polls....any of them.
I firmly believe we have just been the victims of the biggest fraud in the history of mankind.
I refuse to believe that the American people were energized to vote for President Obama yesterday.
This election could be a script from a movie, therefore, I am starting to believe it was designed as such.
I think it is far more likely that a plan has been in the works to corrupt this cycle since 2010.
Multiple blue states voted for every Democrat in statewide races by a similar count as what President Obama gained in that state.
States that typically split their statewide vote went 100% Democrat for every statewide race. That can only come from straight party-line voting.
If you wanted to demoralize your opponents, and had the ability, you would arrange the votes in a few safe districts within a few states to overwhelm the other party’s safe districts, regardless of turnout.
Then, you would ensure the exit polling contradicted everything your opponents believe, everything they expect and everything they support.
At that point, your opponents would turn on each other, re-think their beliefs and dissolve into irrelevance.
Who would have thought that four years ago, the United States would elect a man who served only 40 months in the US Senate to the White House? Who would have thought his background, his history and his performance would be protected, minimized or dismissed over the course his first term?
If an evil alliance of socialists and islamists really exist in our world, could they have engineered such events?
Only odd-numbered Republican votes got counted....?
Seeing that Romney barely matched McCain...I’d say forget about the fraud...alot of GOP just plain stayed home.
I read today an intersting observation:
Romney did well where Obama did well (urban areas)....just not as well.
Romney did poorly where Obama did poorly (rural areas)....but not as poorly.
The urban areas being larger than the rural areas, it was a fait accompli that Obama would win.
Or in other words - Obama was better at being liberal than Romney. It was an interesting analysis, which pointed to the necessity of finding a candidate who would do WELL in rural areas. When you really look at it, Romney has danced with being pro-choice, he has badmouthed coal in the past, of course there was his healthcare plan, and I think he even signed some gun control legislation. Looking back on it, of course he wasn’t going to fire up the base in rural areas...and he wasn’t going to ‘outbama’ Barry in the urban areas.
Yeah, I believe it was rigged as well. Label me the appropriate nickname I don’t care.
You have to give Nate Silver credit for accurately predicting the voting, based on rational use of survey data. Maybe the problem isn’t fraud at all, but systematic misinformation. The election results came as a great surprise to many people, but shouldn’t have.
What we have is a media problem, and specifically too many people trusting sources they should not. Are you?
5% of voters in FL and OH voted for the President and did not vote for the Senator.
Let me state up front that I am liberal, not conservative. I might find it interesting to discuss/debate with you this hypothesis of massive fraud, if you are willing to have a civil debate with a liberal.
My main argument against the possibility of fraud of this scale is that Nate Silver, Sam Wang, Simon Jackman and other statisticians all used polling data to forecast the electoral college results with high accuracy. Sam Wang did this using statistical algorithms that are implemented in MatLab with code that he has published. The source polling data is from Simon Jackman’s pollster.com (now associated with Huffington Post) and that polling data is freely available to everyone. So, anyone who is proficient with MatLab can inspect his source code and documentation in order to understand the analysis, and independently verify the results.
This means that if the Obama campaign somehow committed large scale fraud, there must have been some collusion between the Obama campaign, the statisticians who created the forecasting models, and all of the polling organizations that created the datasets used by the statisticians.
It seems obvious to me that such large scale collusion can’t possibly be done without someone deciding to blow the whistle, but of course the same is true for various long-lived conspiracy theories.
The other side of the argument has already been articulated well by lacrew in post 41. There is a lot of evidence that Romney simply wasn’t a great candidate. It’s clear to me that many people wanted Obama to lose. It’s not so clear that there was a significant portion of the population that was genuinely excited by Romney in particular.
Obama’s biggest weakness was the economy. But polling data (both before the election and exit polls) make it pretty clear that Obama was able to convince half the country that he had handled the economy as well as he could under the circumstances.
So, to Kevin or anyone here who is inclined to think that large scale fraud is the only possible explanation for Romney’s loss, where are the weak links in the above arguments?
wife and i wondering same thing before reading this post.
just how close were the swings?? we didnt stay up and look
at numbers state by state.
Check a thread about 1 AM for a vanity.