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I agree, the nation will survive this, in fact, my feeling is that within two years attention will begin to focus almost entirely on who to support as the candidate. Between now and then some general principles should be agreed upon. The next “Republican” candidate must also be a conservative and libertarian candidate. There is no point in running yet another centrist plan B candidate, this has now failed three times in five elections and only the superior political skills of the W team made that as low as three, could have been five.

Those million votes that the Libertarians drained off, and the stay-at-home Ron Paul loyalists, added up to defeat. Most “moderate” Republicans would vote for a pair of shoes rather than a liberal democrat, so it seems a better strategy to tack right, get all the votes available on that side, and give the voters a real choice.

Unless Obama changes the constitution, he won’t be running, and if it were Biden, he’s like Obama without charisma, a sure recipe to lose to a well-organized Republican. Hillary Clinton is well past her prime and would be equally vulnerable. Other possible candidates for the Democrats are not currently that prominent.

This four years may be tough, like a cultural civil war but likely to become a legislative standoff with Obama mainly posturing and doing most of his harm on the international front where the enemies of freedom can make substantial gains. Breaking up America will not help a quick restoration of international order after 2016.

I would think the focus should be on the 2016 election and the assumption that Obama will lose popularity making a conservative resurgence all the more likely. The political challenge is to sell this to Latinos and suburban women voters. There must be ways to do this, and self-interest is probably the path forward, what other point is there in conservative politics than to retain personal freedom against the insidious powers of the state?


48 posted on 11/07/2012 11:40:04 AM PST by Peter ODonnell (Obama: Just as I stilled the waters, I will bring peace and prosperity ... ruh-roh.)
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To: Peter ODonnell
Obama won the election by 2.6 million votes. Gary Johnson received 1.2 million votes. I doubt that Ron Paul's total vote count in the GOP primaries approached Obama's victory margin, as the Texas congressman received an average of 8-10% of primary voters.

The numbers of libertarian voters would have been insufficient to win any state even if the Johnson and/or Paul supporters all voted for Romney. Only in Florida would the combined third party totals have exceeded the Obama lead. Insofar as the third party candidates included the Green Party candidate, Jill Stern and left wing actress Roseanne Barr, it is unlikely that all these votes would have gone to Romney.

68 posted on 11/07/2012 11:59:47 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Peter ODonnell

The people that believe “the nation will survive this” don’t have a clue as to what just happened. The nation is already gone. 0bamacare will destroy the country financially. The demographics show that we are overwhelmed and the leftists will only get stronger and bigger. The new regulations will prevent any further growth or innovation. Dissenting voices will be stifled and no one will hear the truth. New laws will criminalize any behavior the left deems subversive. 0bama will further consolidate power and soon render Congress and the Constitution obsolete. There is NO WAY this can be avoided now. There is no way to undo this. Any attempt to take away the “free stuff” will result in the same massive riots the the EU is suffering. The only options are to live with the boot on your neck or leave. Secession is the only answer for those wanting freedom.

So there are only two questions left. Will 0bama send the military to force us back? Questionable. Will the military act on 0bama’s orders? Doubtful. If both turn out to be yes then there will definitely be another war against the states and I will gladly give my life for my childrens freedom.


84 posted on 11/07/2012 12:52:13 PM PST by BubbaBasher ("Liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals" - Sam Adams)
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