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The Big Elephant in the Room

Posted on 11/07/2012 6:08:56 AM PST by wolfman23601

Mormonism, I believe unfortunately, cost Romney this election. Why do I say this? All the data and hard vote totals point to Evangelicals staying home. The exit polls show it in both Ohio and Virginia. My republican precinct in VA, with a CHiristian Conservative base, went from 1800 votes in 2004 and 2008 to 1500 votes yesterday.

Obama has one of the worst records in presidential history, Romney ran a solid campaign leaps and bounds ahead of McCain, who ran against hope and change, fainting, and messianic prophecies, and all he had to show for it was Indiana and North Carolina. Mormonism is the explaination.


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KEYWORDS: christanvote; evengelicals; ldschurch; romney2012

1 posted on 11/07/2012 6:09:00 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

While other issues were at play this was my first conclusion this morning as well. That and the fact that 1 out of 2 voters is an idiot!


2 posted on 11/07/2012 6:10:39 AM PST by alisasny (If you cant afford 10 bucks per month to save your own daughters ovary then vote OBAMA.)
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To: alisasny

You said it well.

Obama has successfully cobbled together a ruling coalition of the stupid, the lazy and the racially aggrieved. The fact there are sufficient numbers of those for him to succeed is the REAL problem we face.


3 posted on 11/07/2012 6:12:36 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: wolfman23601

You mean that the cause was Mormonism itself?

Or bigotry against Mormons?


4 posted on 11/07/2012 6:13:39 AM PST by Kinder Gentler Machinegun Hand
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To: wolfman23601

When faced with a choice between someone who corrupts the Constitution and one who corrupts the Gospel, I guess they chose the former or neither.


5 posted on 11/07/2012 6:14:17 AM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: wolfman23601
All the data and hard vote totals point to Evangelicals staying home.

I guess they'd rather have a muslim than a Mormon. The saying "Cut your nose off to spite your face" certainly applies here and they will find out the hard way.

6 posted on 11/07/2012 6:15:23 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (Enemy of the regime since 2008)
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To: wolfman23601

I am a three legged stool conservative, and I value the religious right, but if this continues to prove out, it is greatly disturbing. This is the wing that gave us Akin, who pretty much downed the whole campaign nationally. That ridiculous quote reinvigorated the war on women meme that had pretty much died out in the spring. It also gave a slew of Senate candidates fodder to win over women. It is not a coincidence that Warren in MA recovered from bad polling immediately after playing the Akin bites in her ads. Those words drove at least 5% of women right out of our party.

If Evangelicals want a seat at the table, they need to show up and vote every time like the rest of us. Fiscal and military voters are always there, whether the candidate is ‘our guy’ or not.


7 posted on 11/07/2012 6:15:47 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: wolfman23601

This should prove to Rove, Krauthammer, Barone and the rest of the GOP-e that they will never win another election without the full throated support of the Evangelical base. When only a portion stays home, their candidate loses.

The Republican Party should be aware that simply running a business-friendly nominee will never be successful.


8 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:20 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: wolfman23601

You cannot vote for a Mormom but yet put a Muslim in the White House again. The voter in the U.S. is the most uninformed person.


9 posted on 11/07/2012 6:16:37 AM PST by YukonGreen
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To: wolfman23601
Mormonism is the explaination.

I see it as evengelicals staying home because they did not want a Mormon in the White House. And now Obama will continue to appoint judges that will further curtail freedom of religion for everybody.

10 posted on 11/07/2012 6:17:32 AM PST by oldbrowser
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To: wolfman23601

I really don’t think it was Mormonism, at least not to any great extent. I think it is just the simple fact that the most stupid, the most ignorant, and the non-producing entitlement minded moochers are in control of the ballot box now, and America is doomed to has-been status. Thanks a lot liberals.


11 posted on 11/07/2012 6:20:36 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: wolfman23601

Glenn Beck is crying (again) this morning.

Looks like GBTV will be replaced by some show like Dancing with the stars or similar.

I will be cancelling my subscription.

I need to conserve my resources, hunker down and look after my family now.


12 posted on 11/07/2012 6:27:45 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: wolfman23601

Was it Mormonism, or was it the GOP-e/Romney largely ignoring the evangelicals/TEA Party?

I suggest the latter.


13 posted on 11/07/2012 6:28:07 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Be cheerful, be confident, and VOTE!!)
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To: ilgipper

Being discussed here:

Romney Loss - Evangelicals “Again” Stayed Home
IFB ^ | 11/7/12

Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:18:54 AM by The Ignorant Fisherman

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2956334/posts


14 posted on 11/07/2012 6:30:02 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: wolfman23601
95% of the black vote, 65% of the hispanic vote, Bubba loyalists and plain white dumb people aka sheep.

The most racist election ever. Simple demographics.

15 posted on 11/07/2012 6:31:42 AM PST by Sacajaweau (r)
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To: wolfman23601
I know plenty of evangelicals and they were all extremely supportive of Romney. In fact, his religion wasn't even an issue.

I think Romney lost because the fix was in for Obama. There is no other explanation.

16 posted on 11/07/2012 6:32:45 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: wolfman23601

The evangelicals, so concerned with abortion and gay marriage, had an opportunity to put the brakes on, but they, and self-proclaimed “true conservatives” would rather have Obama, I guess. If you are an evangelical who stayed home because you couldn’t vote for a Mormon, you are have, in essence, acquiesed on the issue of abortion and gay marriage. Hey, they don’t call us the stupid party for nothing! Our side stayed home when they could have slowed or even turned the tide, but nooooo!!!!!!!!!!! Romney was a RINO, he is a Mormon and that’s a cult! Let’s vote third party! Johnson! Goode! Let’s brag about how idealogically pure we are while Obama gets a second term to completely drive the stake through tghe heart of the Republic!


17 posted on 11/07/2012 6:37:21 AM PST by RayBob (If guns kill people, can I blame misspelled words on my keyboard?)
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To: Arm_Bears

If any Evangelicals - if anybody in America for that matter - refused to vote out the Obamanation because they were sidelined then they have only themselves to blame.

Not only now, but at their personal judgement.

Because if this is true, they have made the perfect the enemy of the good. They have accepted the plank in Obama’s eye because of the chip in Romney’s eye.

I hope to God this is not so. I hope to God that no voting bloc in America is waiting for Christ himself to stand for election, and won’t vote for anyone else. That would be bizarre quietism. That would be passive acceptance of evil.


18 posted on 11/07/2012 6:39:00 AM PST by agere_contra ("Government creates nothing" - Romney, 2012)
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To: wolfman23601

What you mean to say is that a mormon candidate generates treason from a whole layer of fundamentalists.

Good thing they have a h*ll to go home to.


19 posted on 11/07/2012 6:46:11 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (I will fear no muslim))
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To: RoosterRedux

I’m very glad to hear that (about the Evangelicals you know).

This is a bad time, and I think a lot of us are willing to apportion blame. And I’m sorry for my own prejudices in this matter.

RR ran a good campaign with good enthusiasm, only to mysteriously lose on the night.

We know the Democrats fixed PA: they did that in broad daylight. We should carefully examine the voting stats for the other swing states.


20 posted on 11/07/2012 6:51:39 AM PST by agere_contra ("Government creates nothing" - Romney, 2012)
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To: agere_contra
Yep.

I thought RR is a great job and ran a masterful campaign.

Unfortunately, Obama and the Dems figured out how to bring Chicago machine politics to the nation as a whole.

The important thing though is this. Obama won another term (by hook or by crook), but his policies still don't work. So those who voted for him are about to find out just how bad things can get. Too bad the rest of us are in the same boat.

21 posted on 11/07/2012 7:01:00 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Sacajaweau
95% of the black vote, 65% of the hispanic vote, Bubba loyalists and plain white dumb people aka sheep. The most racist election ever. Simple demographics.

This explains the election in a nutshell. If the Republican Party thinks it can win elections solely general appeals to virtue, the wisdom of the Founding Fathers, and economic reason--while the Democrats continues to fan the flames of naked prejudice, ignorant fear, and resentful racial solidarity amongst "minorities"--then the grand poobahs of the Party will always be left scratching their heads on election night.
22 posted on 11/07/2012 7:04:43 AM PST by Chiltepe
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To: wolfman23601

Ridiculous.


23 posted on 11/07/2012 7:05:17 AM PST by Hildy (hen the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: wolfman23601

I didn’t think twice about voting for Romney the Morman. Much better than voting for Obama the secret Muslim.


24 posted on 11/07/2012 7:06:26 AM PST by mohresearcher
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To: alisasny
While other issues were at play this was my first conclusion this morning as well. That and the fact that 1 out of 2 voters is an idiot!

That was my conclusion as well. Especially when a poll said that 50% of voters believe Obama was the best candidate for the middle class.

The clueless vote won Obama the election.

25 posted on 11/07/2012 7:07:32 AM PST by TChris ("Hello", the politician lied.)
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To: RoosterRedux

A lot of Evangelicals did vote for Romney, but the fact remains that 20% less of them voted than voted in 2004. That was enough to make up the slim difference in Virginia, Florida, and Ohio.


26 posted on 11/07/2012 7:14:35 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: oldbrowser

I recently saw a video with a great statement/question.
“If you have cancer and the Dr. can cure it, do you ask his religion?” (paraphrasing)
Romney is the Dr. and he was rejected because of religion?!


27 posted on 11/07/2012 7:31:07 AM PST by MissP-38
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To: RoosterRedux
It may be true that Evangelicals cost the election. I know plenty of evangelicals however that recognized that Mitt Romney was the real deal, a kind gracious, good man. A man uniquely qualified to lead the nation in this disastrous economic time.

Romney had the support of Billy Graham for goodness sake.

For those of you who are now gloating that the MORMAN lost I hope you enjoy the demise of the USA. You bigots who have no compassion for a people who simply worship The Lord Jesus Christ in a different way than most of us and are willing to see the end of the USA rather than vote for a Mormon, I hope you enjoy our downward slide into oblivion. I hope you enjoy the knowledge that your children and their children will have a lifestyle much lower than yours. I hope you enjoy watching your parents on their death bed because the government doesn't think the economical decision to give your parent a bypass operation would be wise. I hope you enjoy watching your parents in a wheelchair because the government won't pay for a new knee or hip because your parents are old.

I don't know how I could be more saddened by the elections results.

My hope is that it turns out that it was not evangelicals that lost the race for us. I hope it was not the Mormon haters. I have to hope that it is simply the advantage that the Main Stream Media gave to the Democrats that did it to us plus of course the 47%.

The race was basically 50% to 48%. I can guarantee you that the Main Stream Media added 3% to the 47% Moochers. Ayn Rand was right on. There might not be a John Galt canyon where we can all go and work for gold but, this election just might precipatate the breaking of the union. Let the 47%+ have it and we will start our own union.

The majority will now hold the minority in subjugation.

That is what Obama wants. He wants the workers, read white, eastern Europeans who held slaves to themselves be slaves and pay back what we took away from people of color before the civil war, reparations. That is what this is after all is reparations and Socialism all rolled into one big ball.

If you didn't vote because Mitt Romney was a Mormon I don't want to know you. You did this to me and mine and the whole country. I hope you enjoy. There were many that said witholding your vote would guarantee an Obama success, they were right. I'm more saddened that angry but I am also angry that so many people would cut their nose to spite their faces.

I have a small company. I am in my 60's. I could have taken Social Security years ago but I didn't thinking I would grow the company for my children. I am seriously considering just giving up. I'm getting ready to close up shop and retire, I'm tired of fighting a lost cause. If we can't elect someone as clean and pure as a Mitt Romney because of his religion, we will never win.

A candidate more conservative would have never carried independents or any Democrats. I think the only thing left is disolution of the country.

The "Grand Experiment" is over as far as I'm concerned, it didn't work. It was doomed to failure as soon as the majority of people abandoned God.

28 posted on 11/07/2012 7:50:09 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig
If you didn't vote because Mitt Romney was a Mormon I don't want to know you. You did this to me and mine and the whole country.

I imagine you mean that as a rhetorical statement and not one directed at me.

I am an evangelical and supported Romney with my vote, my energy, and my money.

29 posted on 11/07/2012 8:11:47 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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To: Arm_Bears
Was it Mormonism, or was it the GOP-e/Romney largely ignoring the evangelicals/TEA Party? I suggest the latter.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. The GOP and the Romney campaign ignored evangelicals and took their vote for granted. "Where else can they go?" is the old refrain, and we found out last night: home.

30 posted on 11/07/2012 8:14:36 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: MissP-38
“If you have cancer and the Dr. can cure it, do you ask his religion?” (paraphrasing)

That is exactly the problem. Various little religious fiefdoms are busy advocating for themselves instead of uniting to defend freedom of religion which is being taken away from us bit by bit.

31 posted on 11/07/2012 8:26:18 AM PST by oldbrowser
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To: agere_contra

We evangelicals/TEA Partiers don’t expect the Savior to return and stand for elected office. However, we do have these things called principles. I have sacrificed mine repeatedly—Holding my nose while voting for Gerald Ford, George H. W. Bush, Bob Dole, John McCain, and now, Mitt Romney—All the while being trashed by the elites in the GOP almost as much as by the DemonRATS. No more. I am now shifting my focus, and efforts, to the local and state level as change will come only from the grass-roots.


32 posted on 11/07/2012 8:31:17 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Be cheerful, be confident, and VOTE!!)
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To: KeyLargo

I don’t get GBTV. Is Beck really crying KL? Please give more details.


33 posted on 11/07/2012 8:38:25 AM PST by Mountain Mary (Pray for our Republic...)
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To: JAKraig

I had an interesting conversation last night with my 31 year old daughter who works at Google.

I think she laid out the predicate for success in the future if we are to ever see it. She said:

No more rich, old, white guys.

Get someone who can consistently articulate their conservative apologetics. And, have some humor.

Be smart, don’t fall into stupid rhetorical traps (like Todd Akin).

Get out in front of immigration reform and agree to something you can live with (it is too late to wait on perfection).

Use the state houses to pass voter ID to knock down fraud.

Unfortunately, I think we all hoped the tipping point was still ahead of us. I’m afraid we are already past it. Time to get our affairs in order and to be smart.


34 posted on 11/07/2012 8:44:55 AM PST by chriscraft
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To: txrefugee

How can Evangelicals ask for (demand) ANYTHING when they gave this election to Obama wrapped in a bow by staying home on their butts or voting for a 3rd party nut?


35 posted on 11/07/2012 8:48:04 AM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: ilgipper

Your complaint is against Evangelicals?

The people that vote 75 and 80% republican?

Catholics as usual, voted democrat, and the complaint is over the Evangelical religious right?

The atheists and agnostics are OVERWHELMINGLY democrat, so they naturally vote for their party, they are the religious left.


36 posted on 11/07/2012 9:21:21 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12
Republican turnout was less than in 2008, thanks to you evangelicals (I will no longer be capitalizing the word) sitting out in droves. Are you happy now? Is this what you wanted? You think you are so damn pure and holy, that you are saving your soul unlike the rest of us "secular humanists." You friggin anti-mormon bigots just couldn't bring yourselves to suck it up and save our country.

Well listen here. God holds us responsible for our actions, and for how our actions affect others. Obamacare will not be repealed, thanks to you. The war on Christians will ramp up. If you thought Obama's first term was bad, just wait and see what he has in store for us now. Free-abortion on demand will likely become the law of the land. And you are responsible for it. I condemn you, utterly and completely. God have mercy on you for what you have wrought in our country.

37 posted on 11/07/2012 9:39:13 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 10/07/12)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Your anti-Christian/anti-conservative bigotry is astounding.

Evangelicals are the conservative voting block, and you despise them.

Remove your own lefty Massachusetts Governor from your own eye, before you rant at our most conservative voting block.

“I think Bill Weld comes as close as anyone,” Romney said when asked whom in his party he aligned with.

“I was an independent during the time of Reagan-Bush. I’m not trying to return to Reagan-Bush,”

“I’m not a partisan politician. My hope is that, after this election, it will be the moderates of both parties who will control the Senate, not the Jesse Helmses.”


38 posted on 11/07/2012 10:41:49 AM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: ansel12
Your idiocy is astounding. The evangelicals are a non-voting voting block and thus handed the election to 0. Is it that hard to understand???

If they are so conservative, how come they had no problem letting 0 win?

39 posted on 11/07/2012 10:46:44 AM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 10/07/12)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Actually, Evangelicals were probably Romney’s largest voting block, they voted for him by about 75%.

Which voting block is more conservative than Evangelicals in your world?


40 posted on 11/07/2012 12:00:03 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney not only reelected Obama, he lost the Senate,ruined the "down ticket", West, Mia Love, Brown.)
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To: Mountain Mary

"I don’t get GBTV. Is Beck really crying KL? Please give more details." Yes. Beck has taken lessons from Boehner.

41 posted on 11/07/2012 12:40:04 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Why Mitt Romney Lost

Newsmax ^ | Nov 7, 2012 | Christopher Ruddy

Posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:53:31 AM by KeyLargo

Newsmax Why Mitt Romney Lost Wednesday, November 7, 2012 02:24 PM

By: Christopher Ruddy Newsmax

Christopher Ruddy’s Perspective: It was the worst of times and the worst of times.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956927/posts


42 posted on 11/08/2012 4:59:38 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: RoosterRedux

If you didn’t vote because Mitt Romney was a Mormon I don’t want to know you. You did this to me and mine and the whole country.

Then you said:

I imagine you mean that as a rhetorical statement and not one directed at me.

_________________________________________________________

You are correct.

I appreceiate your faith in The Lord Jesus Christ and willingness to allow others to come to the love of The Lord through other processes.

All our hopes should be that we all come to the Love of The Lord who gave His mortal life for us and was punished for our sins even though he never sinned. He did this out of His love for us.


43 posted on 11/08/2012 8:04:21 AM PST by JAKraig (Surely my religion is at least as good as yours)
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To: JAKraig

Thx for that.:-)


44 posted on 11/08/2012 11:24:58 AM PST by RoosterRedux (Obama: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.")
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