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To: FenwickBabbitt

You make a lot of really good points, especially the last: “Our America is already dead. It’s time to face that and salvage what we can.” I saw some Fox analysts talking about how Obama would be constrained by a more Republican congress. Somehow I doubt that John Boehner has them quaking in their boots. Yet these analysts are looking at it from a now defunct frame of reference. We cannot pretend that nothing has really changed. This election was a turning point. It legitimizes Obama’s reign of contempt, revenge and divisiveness. They abhor anyone who believes in the ideals of this country, and now they know that they can get away with anything. 15+% unemployment in black America, and they go 93-7. No jobs for young people, yet they celebrate their dear leaders victory.

The only silver lining that I can see is that it now becomes impossible to pretend that this America is the same as the one that used to be. If that means some kind of secession, so be it. At least we know where we stand. The takers now outnumber the makers. The brainwashing of our education system has firmly taken hold. Our enemies have declared their desire for revenge. And none of our checks and balances (including the ballot box) are enough.

I agree that secession is a LONG shot. But the situation is untenable. This country is clearly divided against itself, with two camps that loathe each other. I don’t know where this leads. But thanks to the most divisive president in our history, at least the situation has gotten much clearer.


53 posted on 11/07/2012 1:45:54 AM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: jjsheridan5
It legitimizes Obama’s reign of contempt, revenge and divisiveness.

That is a very good point. The left is on the road to Chavez and there is nothing left to stop them.

Do not think secession is a long shot. More like it is inevitable now. There is no way to pay off this debt. Absolutely no way. So the country will collapse. No other possible path. We had a chance with austerity if the rest of the world played along, but that is now dead. No austerity possible and deficits will climb up way over a trillion in Obama's next 4 years.

54 posted on 11/07/2012 2:00:34 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: jjsheridan5
You make a lot of really good points, especially the last: “Our America is already dead. It’s time to face that and salvage what we can.” I saw some Fox analysts talking about how Obama would be constrained by a more Republican congress. Somehow I doubt that John Boehner has them quaking in their boots. Yet these analysts are looking at it from a now defunct frame of reference. We cannot pretend that nothing has really changed. This election was a turning point. It legitimizes Obama’s reign of contempt, revenge and divisiveness. They abhor anyone who believes in the ideals of this country, and now they know that they can get away with anything. 15+% unemployment in black America, and they go 93-7. No jobs for young people, yet they celebrate their dear leaders victory. The only silver lining that I can see is that it now becomes impossible to pretend that this America is the same as the one that used to be. If that means some kind of secession, so be it. At least we know where we stand. The takers now outnumber the makers. The brainwashing of our education system has firmly taken hold. Our enemies have declared their desire for revenge. And none of our checks and balances (including the ballot box) are enough. I agree that secession is a LONG shot. But the situation is untenable. This country is clearly divided against itself, with two camps that loathe each other. I don’t know where this leads. But thanks to the most divisive president in our history, at least the situation has gotten much clearer.

Absolutely and completely right. Might be the best post I've ever read on here. And you are right that the only bright spot in all this is that anyone who can be awakened had better be awake now. No more believing that somehow this can all be fixed. It can't.

62 posted on 11/07/2012 6:09:43 AM PST by JustaCowgirl (Revolutions are not born out of success, they are born out of despair)
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