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To: NVDave
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You mean Roberts? Roberts isn't the church anymore than I am. Plenty of Catholics are as heartsick and angry tonight as you are ... me, for instance. So why are you insulting all of us indiscriminately?

4 posted on 11/06/2012 9:41:10 PM PST by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Campion

And PLENTY of “Nuns on the Bus” Catholics are rejoicing tonight. Sickening.


7 posted on 11/06/2012 9:46:59 PM PST by EnquiringMind
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To: Campion

If the issue that the Church claims should exempt them and their charities and hospitals really were a cannon of Catholic faith, and if they had actually made their position unequivocal on the issue rather than trying to have their cake (socialized medicine) and eat it to (but be exempted from the abortion and contraception issues they didn’t like) then Roberts wouldn’t have contorted himself and the case law to uphold Obamacare.

However, the record is pretty clear: The Church has been trying to walk both sides of this issue. They want “access to healthcare” (translation: They want their poor slobs’ medical bills to be paid by taxpayers) and so they backed Obamacare, but then held out for the Stupak Amendment to cover their “faith based” objections to providing abortion and contraception. If the issue had been truly important, they would have said “No. No amendments, no little changes around the edges, we’re against the whole thing.”

Even when the law was upheld and it looked as tho they’re going to have to hew to the abortion and contraception mandates, they want to play both sides of the street:

http://usccb.org/news/2012/12-119.cfm

As it is, the Supreme Court is controlled by Catholics and Jews and neither group has a good track record in history of truly upholding individual rights. The US founding was a result of a happy accidental result of the Scottish Enlightenment and the philosophies that came forward out of that period and group of people - Protestant, but perceiving that a tolerance of other religions would be both just and sane, that a man was entitled to the sweat of his brow and that there were certain rights that all men could and should lay claim to. There were only two Catholics involved at the Constitutional Convention of 1787, and the results of that convention were clearly the result of the influence of Protestants who remembered what it was like to live in Europe where the Catholic church was the big power behind the thrones.

I remember what this country was like before we were overrun with Catholics in public office, in particular clowns like Teddy Kennedy. The epistemology of the Catholic church is pro-welfare, pro-socialized medicine, and for enforced redistribution of wealth. Always has been. That’s why my ancestors left Europe hundreds of years ago.


9 posted on 11/06/2012 10:11:34 PM PST by NVDave
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