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To: Olog-hai
Where is the environment that you experience?

I see you don't know the answer. Scientists maneuver through the world just as we do, but being more formal about it with definitions and powerful instruments to improve the senses.

How does science “define” anything?

The same as Miriam-Webster, but with more precision.

How does the uncertainty principle (itself uncertain)...

That statement is another reason why you are in no position to judge science.

Science is supposed to be a record of observations, in its purest sense; if the energy interactions are what is observed, then inserting “virtual particles” to fudge the numbers is specious.

Virtual particles are used in quantum mechanics to come up with the most precise calculations and predictions in science.

81 posted on 10/02/2012 8:03:54 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62

I see you don't know the answer. Scientists maneuver through the world just as we do, but being more formal about it with definitions and powerful instruments to improve the senses
Keep reaching, by all means. Science and scientists cannot define. That is not what science is. All scientists do is observe, record and propose models from and of pre-existing conditions. When scientists call physical and chemical laws by the word law, are you now saying that those scientists wrote that law? which is impossible since the very law(s) in question predated the scientist(s) that describe it/them.

How does science “define” anything?

The same as M(err)iam-Webster, but with more precision
Thanks for the ignorant statement. Your random throwing of jargon into the mix seems to indicate that you do not have a scientific background. As one of my analytical chemistry teachers once told me, “All measurements are wrong” and that accuracy and precision are measured against standards that can vary wildly. You do know that in the USA, it is up to the federal government (the legislative branch) to define standards (per Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution)? That’s why we have agencies such as the NIST. How trustworthy is the government? (Yes, please answer that.)

How does the uncertainty principle (itself uncertain)...define anything either?

That statement is another reason why you are in no position to judge science
Truncating my statement and following up with a blanket ad hominem merely digs a deeper hole for you, not me. And please do not complain about my not answering existential questions when you cannot answer that more concrete one.

Virtual particles are used in quantum mechanics to come up with the most precise calculations and predictions in science
This statement says absolutely nothing.

So, what’s your scientific background, again?
86 posted on 10/02/2012 8:32:14 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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