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To: null and void; Sherman Logan
Let's take your other points, n&v:

Will you argue that the militant, active combat, murderous thugs are somehow not actually part of ummah? -- No, never said that and I say that the jihadis believe they are part of the ummah

Will you argue that of the hundreds of thousand of muslims already infiltrated into the US, not even a handful hate America unto death? -- no, I believe all Moslems, or nearly all Moslems in the US are an existential threat, just as they are to any other civilisation -- as I've argued before, Islam is a civilisational virus, destroying great civilisations. The Roman Empire didn't lose culturally until Islam came and neglected the aquaducts etc. and Yemen was prosperous until Islam...

Do you seriously assert there is nothing for us to worry about, that there can't, simply can't be anyone muslim plotting the downfall of "The Great Satan"? -- no, I have never and do never and will never say that -- islam and moslems ARE plotting the downfall of all infidels

As to Sherman, in whom you find no flaw and in whom you are well pleased, I advise you to check, really check his history. Perhaps Pollyanna is an unacceptably harsh term. Would you prefer apologist, or voice of moderation? -- he has not in any way been an apologist for Islam. point out any cases. I find it strange that you think I don't argue with Sherman -- I do, a lot. But he focusses purely on historical and factual accuracy and in this case so do I (when it comes to history, i'm a stickler) and we discuss that

I repeat -- our argument here is about the incorrect historicity of the article's reference to the Indian Mutiny.

53 posted on 07/01/2013 11:08:53 PM PDT by Cronos (Latin presbuteros>Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
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To: Cronos; null and void

Just for what it’s worth, there were numerous accounts at the time of the Mutiny of mysterious events in the weeks before the Mutiny broke out.

The most famous being chapatis (sp?),which are Indian flatbreads something like tortillas being sent from village to village. This was an ancient practice and was considered to forebode great events soon to come.

But even the stories of the time do not have these events being coordinated. There was enormous pent-up anger, suspicion and frustration among the soldiers of the Raj and among large groups of the common people in north-central India. Much of it justified. The British ignored it, calm in the belief that these simple, childlike people could never effectively resist their domination. More fools they.

Today we suffer severely, IMO, from a serious lack of civilizational self-confidence. The pre-Mutiny Brits suffered from whatever its opposite would be called. They drastically under-estimated their potential opponents and paid the price for doing so.

There is very little evidence that the Mutiny was pre-planned, as can be easily seen by the various regiments that killed their officers and then stood around wondering what to do next. Then somebody has the bright idea of going to Delhi and asking the Emperor.

Hardly an example of careful forethought.


55 posted on 07/01/2013 11:23:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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