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B-17 - Fantastic Story of Survival
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Posted on 09/02/2012 8:54:46 AM PDT by Windflier

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There are some things that are more than a sum of their pieces, better than the design, and perform far beyond what is expected. The M-1 rifle, the "Jeep" the "Deuce-and-a-Half", the C-47, the M1911, the Huey helicopter, and the B-17 are all on that list.
1 posted on 09/02/2012 8:54:55 AM PDT by Windflier
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To: Windflier

If it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going. No Lancaster or Liberator could have survived that.


2 posted on 09/02/2012 9:07:24 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
If it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going. No Lancaster or Liberator could have survived that.

I heard that. The Boeing B-17 was renowned for its ability to take massive punishment, and still get the crew home in one piece (if not itself).

It's absolutely my favorite WWII warbird.

3 posted on 09/02/2012 9:12:21 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

What an awesome account that I’d not heard of before and truly amazing photos. Thank you!


4 posted on 09/02/2012 9:12:38 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Windflier

What an awesome account that I’d not heard of before and truly amazing photos. Thank you!


5 posted on 09/02/2012 9:12:44 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Menehune56; ExTexasRedhead

You bet, Menehune. Glad you enjoyed it.

Hat tip to ExTexasRedhead.


6 posted on 09/02/2012 9:14:47 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Tigerized

WOW Ping.


7 posted on 09/02/2012 9:15:12 AM PDT by bootless ("If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth."~RWR)
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To: Windflier

They don’t make ‘em like they used to. Great story and pics, thanks!


8 posted on 09/02/2012 9:20:41 AM PDT by shove_it (purge pandering progressive parasites)
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They don’t make ‘em like they used to.

That's true of a lot of things, but when we Americans put our minds to it, we can still 'build it better' than anyone else on the planet.

The Curiosity rover on Mars is one recent example.

9 posted on 09/02/2012 9:26:14 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

If it ain’t Boeing, I ain’t going. No Lancaster or Liberator could have survived that................................................ Boeing built British bombers too, a little known fact.


10 posted on 09/02/2012 9:27:42 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Who we elect is not as important as who they bring in with them.)
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Where did this come from?

Impressive but I doubt it crossed the channel to the UK. More like somewhere back in N. Africa from the looks of the sand.


11 posted on 09/02/2012 9:29:29 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: Windflier

Martin Caidin wrote a history of the B-17 that is absolutely fascinating. He tells the story of one B-17 that landed at its base in England. When the ground crew opened the hatch they found one of the door gunners badly wounded...and every other crewman, including both pilots, dead at their positions.


12 posted on 09/02/2012 9:31:08 AM PDT by Delhi Rebels (There was a row in Silver Street - the regiments was out.)
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To: Windflier

Where online can this article be found?

URL?


13 posted on 09/02/2012 9:33:26 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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I don’t know who did the write-up or when, but they didn’t know what they were talking about. This aircraft was damaged over the port of Tunis. That’s in Tunisia, on the coast of North Africa. They didn’t come from England and they certainly did not return there.

The 97th Bomb Group was reassigned from the 8th Air Force to the 12th Air Force in November, 1942. At the time of this mission, they were stationed in Algeria, and the damaged aircraft returned to their base after the collision. Take a look at the pictures, not exactly the English countryside.


14 posted on 09/02/2012 9:34:56 AM PDT by centurion316
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To: Windflier
Most beatiful plane ever built. Stories of their ruggedness and strength are eclipsed only by the men who crewed them.

This crew was involved in the famous "Piggy Back" incident on December 31, 1944.

Bill Lawley, Walter Truemper, and Archibald Mathies

David R. Kingsley
15 posted on 09/02/2012 9:35:17 AM PDT by 2sheds
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To: Sequoyah101
"More like somewhere back in N. Africa from the looks of the sand."

Most likely Libya.

16 posted on 09/02/2012 9:39:21 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: Windflier
The B-17 is one of my all time favorite aircraft. All most
indestructible. Well known for bringing its crew back home
in spite of damage that would have brought down lesser airplanes.

This story is also well known. They think the German fighter
pilot was already dead, killed by a B-17 gunner, when he
crashed into the B-17.

But there are a couple of things wrong with this account.

1. The 97th Bomb Group was based in North Africa at that
time, not England. Their base was in Algeria or Libya.
Still a great feat of airman ship to get her home.

2. The photograph was most likely taken from another B-17,
not a escorting P-51 fighter. P-51’s did not start flying
escort until 1944.

Still a great story.

Mike

17 posted on 09/02/2012 9:42:05 AM PDT by doublecansiter (without cartridge, load in nine times, LOAD!)
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To: Sequoyah101
Where did this come from?

Did you miss the header up top?

Impressive but I doubt it crossed the channel to the UK. More like somewhere back in N. Africa from the looks of the sand.

You could be right. England is a long, long way from Tunisia.

18 posted on 09/02/2012 9:49:58 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: KeyLargo
Where online can this article be found? URL?

If I knew that, I would have posted it. I got this in email, as indicated on the header up top. I'd like to know too, if anyone knows the source.

19 posted on 09/02/2012 9:52:00 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Sequoyah101
This was their base:

Chateau-dun-du-Rhumel Airfield From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Part of Twelfth Air Force 97th BG 414bs Sweet Chariot.jpg Gen. Jimmy Doolittle awards the Purple Heart to the aircrew of Boeing B-17E Fortress 41-9021 ‘Sweet Chariot’ at Chateau-dun-du-Rhumel Airfield, Algeria, July 1943.

Type Military Airfield Coordinates 36°08′39″N 006°07′53″E Built 1942 In use 1942–1943 Controlled by United States Army Air Forces Chateau-dun-du-Rhumel Airfield is located in Algeria

Chateau-dun-du-Rhumel (Chateaudun Du Rhumel) Airfield is an abandoned military airfield in Algeria, located about 6 km north-northwest of Chelghoum el Aid, in Mila province, about 47 km southwest of Constantine.

During World War II it was used by the United States Army Air Force Twelfth Air Force during the North African Campaign against the German Afrika Korps. The airfield was built by the United States Army Corps of Engineers, and its primary use was that of a heavy bomber airfield, with concrete runways, hardstands and taxiways. Billeting and support facilities consisted of tents. The 2d Bomb Group and the 97th Bomb Group were the primary tenants at the airfield, both flying B-17 Flying Fortresses missions over targets in Italy; Tunisia; Sicily and Sardinia. The 1st Fighter Group flew escort for the Fortresses, as well as attacking enemy ground targets of opportunity.

Known units assigned to the airfield were: HQ 5th Bombardment Wing, March– August 1943 HQ 7th Fighter Wing (later 47th Bombardment Wing), 11 January – 1 March 1943 2d Bombardment Group, 27 April- – 7 June 1943, B-17 Flying Fortress 97th Bombardment Group, 8 February – 1 August 1943, B-17 Flying Fortress 1st Fighter Group, February – 29 June 1943, P-38 Lightning

When the Americans moved out in late 1943, the airfield was dismantled and abandoned. Today, there is almost no evidence of its existence, as the land has returned to agricultural use. Faint outlines of dispersal pads, runways and taxiways can be seen in aerial photography, and there may be a number of agricultural buildings on a former concreted aircraft parking/maintenance area to the south of the field.

20 posted on 09/02/2012 9:53:07 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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