Posted on 08/12/2012 4:28:33 AM PDT by raybbr
Cops shot a knife-wielding maniac dead on a packed Midtown street yesterday after several officers drew their weapons and chased him at gunpoint through Times Square.
“Shoot me! Shoot me!” the armed madman shouted at a crowd of more than 20 cops, who had followed him for several blocks and blasted him with pepper spray before cornering him on Seventh Avenue near West 38th Street, according to witness Robert James.
The furious 51-year-old finally lunged at the officers with his 11-inch butcher knife, leading two cops to blast him in the torso, groin and arms at about 3 p.m., police said.
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Cops shot a knife-wielding maniac dead on a packed Midtown street yesterday after several officers drew their weapons and chased him at gunpoint through Times Square.
“Shoot me! Shoot me!” the armed madman shouted at a crowd of more than 20 cops, who had followed him for several blocks and blasted him with pepper spray before cornering him on Seventh Avenue near West 38th Street, according to witness Robert James.
The furious 51-year-old finally lunged at the officers with his 11-inch butcher knife, leading two cops to blast him in the torso, groin and arms at about 3 p.m., police said.
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Better hide your kitchen knives. They soon will be unwelcome in NYC.
Always good to see our men in blue give the citizens what they want.
Can't tell by the photo but it looks as if the crazy guy was uhh, you know one of Jessies people. Since he was shot so many times can we expect the Sharpton/Jackson teams to descend for a bit of face time?
As Sharpton said, "RESIST WE MUCH!!"
“Shoot me! Shoot me!” the armed madman shouted at a crowd of more than 20 cops ..
In the old days one cop would have have promptly handled this situation .
NYPost knows 38th Street is not Times Square.
why did the cops get so close that his knife was dangerous? Yes, he must have continued walking south on 7th and there was no way to clear the streets and sdidewalks fast enough. And no fast way to disarm him without getting close or shooting him. He was approaching 34th street and 7th a very busy & crowded intersection.
He musta been all hopped up on large sodas
If I had a son he would have looked like...........
Amazing that in the middle of Times Square, the precinct HQ had no non-lethal options apart from pepper spray. You’d think they’d have tasered him from multiple directions. Given NYC juries, they’re looking at a multi-million dollar payout to the guy’s kin. I have to wonder if it was another Bloomberg edict that these cops be “armed” with pepper spray instead of tasers as their non-lethal standoff equipment.
For those not familiar with the NYC environment, precinct HQ’s have hundreds of cops assigned to them and are situated about a mile or less apart in Manhattan.
“... no non-lethal options apart from pepper spray”.
IMHO, it was a good shoot. If NYPD had waited or tried a non-lethal means and a citizen got hurt... people would be criticizing them for not protecting them. He was acting crazy, had a large knife and mobile... suicide by cop was his choice (not NYPD’s)
Another angry white loner, I see.
I share your view. It's just that they had pepper spray on hand when they should have had tasers. And the ubiquity of patrol cars (not to mention precinct HQ's, which are within a mile of each other) tells me that tasers are not part of the standard non-lethal NYPD kit. The long record of multi-million dollar payouts from NYPD entanglements in dubious but successful (thanks to NYC juries) wrongful death lawsuits should have prepped them for this circumstance.
By the way, they pepper-sprayed the guy. It just annoyed him. Tasers pack a lot more punch, and area hospital emergency rooms are typically no further than a mile away if the tasered perp goes into cardiac arrest.
I am unsure how close an officer must get to a suspect to use a taser? If it is relatively close... couldn’t that have risked the officer more than shooting this guy? My point is that from the article... it seems like the suspect was very mobile. If one officer, for example, tried to move in closer to taze him.. he would then be in the “line of fire” from the other officers. (thus, risking his own life in attempting to taze).
The range is 35 feet. Pepper spray maxes out at 20 feet, but the effect at maximum range is severely attenuated for the same reason that spray deodorant isn't generally applied from yards away. Tasers are just as effective at maximum range, since the juice has to go through all those wires anyway. If you're close enough to pepper spray someone, you're close enough to taser him.
Has anybody tied him to the Tea Party yet?
You obviously are woefully ignorant in the dynamics of armed encounters.
A Taser fire two darts, each with its own wire. The wires are only about 20 ft long. These two darts diverge from each other. The farther they travel before they hit the target makes it more likely that one will miss completely, failing to complete the circuit, and rendering the shot useless.
A Taser also only fires one shot at a time, once you’ve expended the cartridge, you have to pull the old one off the front of the Taser, grab another one, snap it into place, aim and fire again. A typical Taser shot is around 10 ft.
If you knew a little bit about reaction times, you would realize that if you missed at 20 ft, you DON’T HAVE ENOUGH TIME to either reload the Taser, or draw, aim, and fire your pistol before your opponent can close the distance and insert that 11 inch butcher knife in your gut. Google “Tueller Drill” and the 21 foot rule.
Another fact is that with todays medical care, bullet wounds are more survivable than knife wounds. Knives cut more veins and arteries, making it much more likely you’ll bleed out.
Regular Police Officers in the NYPD do not carry Tasers. Sergeants do, and there was no doubt at least one Sergeant on the scene (and likely more), but not the POs.
The maximum range is 35 ft, those are the red cartriges. They also come in 15, 21, 25, ft versions. Which do you think are more likely to be bought by the city purchasing dept (price goes up with range)?
cowards perform suicide by cop....
....so now he screwed up the psyche of cops who would have rather just arrest this miscreant.
If this happen anywhere in Texas, it would be a non story
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