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To: JRandomFreeper
That completely refutes the Declaration of Independence.

Not at all.

Article XIII of the Articles of Confederation: . . . And the Articles of this confederation shall be inviolably observed by every State, and the union shall be perpetual; . . .

He asked for strengthening of the Confederation so that Congress could meet its Article III responsibilities.

Article III. The said States hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defense, the security of their liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretense whatever.

/Jacquerie

5 posted on 06/08/2012 3:35:56 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves)
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To: Jacquerie
I'm not happy with that, either. No union, except that with God, can be perpetual.

And yes, I would have been one of those griping about both the AOC and the Constitution. ;)

I just haven't in my life seen much benefit to a central federal government. I have seen the downside to a centralized federal government.

In fact, I've stated here that I think it's outdated and needs to be eliminated. Especially when it works contrary to what the people need and want.

Governments by men tend to fail.

/johnny

6 posted on 06/08/2012 3:48:57 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jacquerie
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

/johnny

7 posted on 06/08/2012 3:53:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jacquerie

T’anks- as usual you say these things better than I could.
I’ve learned so much reading those things you have posted.
reading your stuff helped me with the Hillsdale College online Constitution 101 Course. I agree there is no evidence of any refutation of the Declaration—but I have been quite guilty of knee jerk reactions—my friends help me backup and regroup.


8 posted on 06/08/2012 4:05:09 PM PDT by StonyBurk (ring)
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