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1 posted on 04/12/2012 2:38:07 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Does it involve the Magic Negro?


2 posted on 04/12/2012 2:47:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

I hate you. You sneaked in at night, plucked my brain and articulated my own ideas as I never could!


5 posted on 04/12/2012 3:03:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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bfltr


6 posted on 04/12/2012 3:05:24 PM PDT by mnehring
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bon sauvage
7 posted on 04/12/2012 3:23:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

interesting observations


10 posted on 04/12/2012 4:14:25 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The jettisoning of the abstract international working class and their replacement by certain chosen ethnic groups is simply not Marxism, despite the continued use of Marxist terminology by the left and the tendency of the right to refer to this as "cultural Marxism."

When the Marxists realized that the economic conditions of their precious "working class" were improving and that the revolution [which Marx had never predicted and was only dreamed up by his followers] wasn't going to happen, they had to shift gears. Instead of the capitalists vs. the workers, they adopted a more generic powerless vs. the powerful story line.

In this context, any group which could be claimed to be less successful than another (blacks, women, minorities in general, children, Muslims, etc.) could be lionized as a victim.

You're right. It isn't Marxism. It's what some call "vulgar Marxism" or "folk Marxism." It's actually "desperation Marxism" and it's working all too well for my taste.

11 posted on 04/12/2012 4:35:30 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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"Still, I am grasping for an answer as to why our liberal news media are agitating, not the poor or downtrodden regardless of ethnicity, but rather the least alien 'minority' ethnic group in America as their ultimate agents of 'social change.'"

The bipartisan political/regulator class has used that tactic for a long time, although they are as afraid of blacks as they are of the rest of us. Currently, they use environmentalism, animal rights/worship, race, conflict between the sexes, sodomite politics and other arguments beside the point to keep potential competition from getting started: Bill Gates, Ted Turner, Warren Buffet, Rupert Murdoch, many others like them and all of their "middle class" followers (see local government employees, pensioners, established services and other beneficiaries of the debt regime).

From their commentaries, there are too many people like us on this planet. The very air we breathe is viewed by them as unworthy and inappropriate competition.

In the Martin case, race is only a fallacious argument to prevent us from defending ourselves from the various kinds of thugs of the favored constituents. They want us to live in daily stress, confusion and fear of officious reprisals instead of allowing us to compete with them as producers. See the many regulations against building, starting small manufacturing operations, and the like--regulations based on the same kinds of irrelevancies (environment, animal "rights," property values and so on).

Now we see default and collapse ahead. They're hysterical and are lashing out with more frequency. To more clearly see the insanities in a backdrop for comparison, read the Declaration of Independence and the first few constitutional amendments again. Try to arrange a safe situation for yourself to watch the show from.

The political/regulator class is also more heavy with anti-Israel sentiments. Thus, the policies of both political parties. Maybe the world to come isn't far off.


12 posted on 04/12/2012 5:18:51 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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Still, I am grasping for an answer as to why our liberal news media are agitating, not the poor or downtrodden regardless of ethnicity, but rather the least alien "minority" ethnic group in America as their ultimate agents of "social change." Outside of some vaguely defined racial mysticism, this simply doesn't make any sense.

Because the less intelligent a populace is, the more easily they can be led.

Its an established fact that, on average, blacks have a lower IQ than whites just like whites have a lower IQ average than Asians.

Race differences in average IQ are largely genetic

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Liberals don't want people to think.... they just want them to follow.

14 posted on 04/12/2012 5:58:49 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a ~Person~ as created by the Law of Nature, not a 'person' as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

BTW, the news media relies on sponsors, and sponsors do regulate what is broadcast.


15 posted on 04/12/2012 6:14:09 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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I’m actually writing my mini thesis on a similar phenomenon. People tend to take anything they consider “certain enough”(or maybe just convinient) as some sort of a priori intuition, as valid and universal as math and logic. People then have an unshakeable beleif in this intuition that no amount of evidence can shake(if not look at you like there was something intellectually or morally wrong with you for not recognizing something so “obvious”). So if a liberal suddenly feels like blacks are eternal victims of oppression, no matter how much you tell them about crime rates, black on black murder rates, single mothers, academic performance, etc, it will always be false or racism because they just took that blacks are good as some sort of ontological necessity.

Unfortunately, since these intuitions do not have the validity math and logic have thanks to experience, we end up with people feverishly clinging to unproven beleifs. And ultimately, since this intuition is based on nothing prejudice, or emotions, or whatever reason, it will come and go as the person fancies or has a sensation of certainty. So while rednecks in the Jim Crow era could do no harm because it was just a necessary logical truth that they always fought for western civilization simply because democrats depended on them politically, now it is an ontological necessity that blacks cannot do any harm, that it is just obvious that anything negative said about any of them is fraud and fabrication, simply because the democrats need them politically.

This also handily explain the trope “A conservative is a liberal mugged by reality”. A liberal holds his a priori ethical and political beleifs until he is emotionally uninclined to beleive them out faith, because he got smacked in the face with what he’s experienced.


16 posted on 04/12/2012 6:34:57 PM PDT by FurryRepublic
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Close, but only half a cigar.

The relevant issue is not really skin color, though that is a reasonable surrogate. As can be seen by Zimmerman’s demonization.

The real issue is (to steal a meme developed by the also recently demonized John Derbyshire) the Designated Victim Group (DVG) versus the Designated Oppressor Group (DOG).

DVGs include blacks, hispanics, Native Americans, gays, women, immigrants and anybody else not seen as part of “the establishment.” DOGs are of course those who are seen as part of “the establishment,” or guilty of supporting it. Rich people, white people, straight white men, southern whites, conservatives, Republicans.

One can obviously switch from one category to another, and which one will be assigned to depends on circumstances. Thus Zimmerman would in other context be hispanic rather than white.

Also the whitest guy around can become an honorary DVG simply by turning on and denouncing other DVGs. To maintain this status he has to constantly get louder and louder in his denunciation, or he will slip back into being a DOG.

There is a poorly defined but implicitly understood ranking of DVGs. In any conflict between two DVGs, one will be demoted to a DOG. Thus, Sarah Palin, a woman, was a DOG when debating Joe Biden, a stereotypical straight white guy.

The root issue is one of being for or against Western civilization. DOGs are, or are supposed to be, against it. Those DVGs who support it are demoted to DOG status and are hated worse than those born into the DOG group. Clarence Thomas, Margaret Thatcher, Sarah Palin, Col. West, Thomas Sowell, etc.

The driving force is one of hating our civilization. Any person or group known or believed to be opposed to it is on “their side.” Thus the alliances with the Islamists.

Since support for traditional Marxism was never much more than an after the fact rationale for their pre-existing emotional disdain for western civ, when it fell apart they just dropped it and picked up another: environmentalism, gay rights, feminism, black liberation, etc. One rationale is just as good as another. Also, if they achieve their goals for one cause, they would just switch to another. They will never be satisfied till western civ crashes down.

What interests me is where this hated and disdain for the civilization that has objectively brought greater freedom and prosperity to far more people than any other comes from.


17 posted on 04/12/2012 7:54:55 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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It has been pointed out many times that Marxism is a Christian heresy. Complete with (among other parallels) a primeval Garden, original sin, a suffering Redeemer and a future Paradise.

The Redeemer in Marxism is of course the proletariat. Since the proletariat rejected Marxism and anyway mostly doesn’t really exist anymore in the sense Marx used the term, the search has been on for a replacement Redeemer. Women, blacks, gays, transgenders (of all groups!), people on welfare, “indigenous peoples,” etc., etc.

Marx based his moral appeal on the fact (according to him) that the proletariat, the only truly economically productive group, supported all other groups by their labor, which was stolen from them. Not a completely irrational position.

The problem for the post-Marxists is that most of their replacement Messianic groups are a net economic drain on society. IOW, these groups are exploiting society economically, not the other way around.

I get an enormous kick out of those claiming blacks are being economically exploited, when there is an enormous net transfer of wealth from whites to blacks each year in this country. Not that this ever seems to bother the post-Marxists, logic and internal consistency not being their strong points.


18 posted on 04/12/2012 8:19:02 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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bfl...


19 posted on 04/12/2012 10:20:19 PM PDT by redhead (Alaska: Step out of the bus and into the food chain.)
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Very interesting. I am not too familiar with the Nation of Islam teachings, but if I not mistaken, “Minister” Farrakhan espouses that white people are only a sinister deviant form of black people, brought about by an evil scientist in the distant past.

In other words, according to him, yes, dark skin pigmentation is a sort of mystical, wonderful, uncontaminated state.


20 posted on 04/13/2012 9:28:29 AM PDT by HeadOn (With my last breath, I will pull the lever against the liberals. NEVER GIVE UP.)
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