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The war on the war on drugs
The Reporter ^ | feb 3, 2012 | jimshi

Posted on 02/03/2012 4:11:23 PM PST by jpsb

Since President Nixon declared war on drugs in 1971 the United States has jailed tens of million of its' citizens. In 2008 alone 1.5 million American were arrested and 500,000 were imprisoned. At a cost of $45,000 per prisoner per year over 22 billion dollars were spent in prison costs alone for just those busted in 2008. I would imagine the costs to the courts, parole officers and police departments are equally large. And then there is the unmeasurable societal cost of a lost income to a community and the breakup of families effected should it be a mom or a dad imprisoned. These are grim figures and even grimmer when one realizes that well over half of all drug busts are marijuana related. That's right pot smokers and pot dealers. We are spending 40 billion plus a years to throw pot heads in jail.

While the direct costs to us are huge there is still the question of indirect costs. Most of the pot heads avoid arrest and most of the money they spend on pot goes to the Mexican Drug Cartels. One needs only look to Mexico to see what that money and the corruption it brings has done to Mexico. Legalizing marijuana would go a long ways towards denying the drug cartels their life blood of US dollars. I feel certain American farmers would be more then happy to meet domestic cannabis demand and do so within the law.

There is also an argument to be made that our federal drug laws are in fact unconstitutional. A the turn of the 19th century there were no federal drug laws. When Congress foolishly prohibited alcohol in 1913 it felt compelled to amend the Constitution to do so, believing correctly in my view, that the federal government lacked the authority to prohibit any American from consuming any substance. Similarly a Constitutional amendment should be necessary to enable the federal government to prohibit the use of recreational drugs. Since there is no such amendment federal drug laws are unconstitutional. Prohibition of drugs is a state issue, not a federal issue. If states like California wish to allow the use of marijuana the federal government is not authorize by our Constitution to prevent it. And should cities and towns in a marijuana friendly California wish to enact local laws prohibiting marijuana they a free to do so.

I can certainly understand the moral and health arguments against highly addictive hard drugs like heroin and cocaine. But I am unimpressed when those same arguments are used against marijuana legalization. While I do not smoke pot I know a great many people that do, regularly. They all go to work, pay their bills and raise their children just like everyone else. The only bad thing I have noticed is they tend to eat more junk food then the rest of us. They love potato chips and twinkles. Yuck.

All things considered I think it is time to declare a war on the war on drugs. The war costs us billions where we could be making billions instead. It is empowering a corrupt and violent anti American culture right on our border . The federal government has no authority to wage this war and the tools it uses property seizures, no knock raids and such endanger our individual liberty and property. Marijuana users are not drug crazed criminals looking to rob and mane. They just hungry munchkins out to get a bag of chips.


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KEYWORDS: drug; marijuana; prohibition
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I wrote this for two reasons one I think it is time to legalize marijuana and two I finally got around to getting my web server back on line after EVERYTHING got wiped out in hurricane Ike so I wanted to test it.
1 posted on 02/03/2012 4:11:27 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb; bamahead
I'm not a drug user, but the war on drugs is not a success and a lot of Americans have had their rights trampled on for a relatively minor offense (smoking weed). I wish more conservatives would speak out against it.
2 posted on 02/03/2012 4:19:02 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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To: Clintonfatigued

I agree, the issue has been simmering with me for a long time, but this election has placed it on the table so I am throwing my 2 cents in, lol


3 posted on 02/03/2012 4:22:00 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb
and the breakup of families effected should it be

Affected.

4 posted on 02/03/2012 4:47:27 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: jpsb

We as a population haven’t learned a DAMN THING from the most recent prohibition of nearly 100 years ago. Every time a prohibition against anything where there is a demand, it will FAIL, and the prohibition itself is more harmful to society than what all the nanny state ‘doo-gooders’ are looking to prohibit.

The bottom line is YOU CAN’T CHANGE BEHAVIOR. If someone wants to use drugs, they’ll do it. The more you try to use the force(farce) of the government/law to change that behavior, the more harm will be done.


5 posted on 02/03/2012 4:48:30 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: arthurus

oops, thanks I will correct on my web site


6 posted on 02/03/2012 4:58:39 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb
I have a friend who has Hep-3 fibromialga and can not take drugs due to the harm full effects they have on his liver. He lives in a state that does not have medical weed and he has to buy from other people. Smoking weed has not caused him to seek out other drugs that some claim that weed is a gateway to other drugs. He works when he can stand to due to the pain levels he has to endure. The weed takes the edge off his pain and does not harm his liver.

with that said I for one am in favor of the legalization of weed. The war on drugs has been as successful as the war on poverty.

7 posted on 02/03/2012 5:35:51 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Grammar & spelling maybe wrong, get over it, the world will not come to an end!)
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“Marijuana users are not drug crazed criminals looking to rob and mane. They just hungry munchkins out to get a bag of chips”.

But the people who supply the dope are and their products are blood stained.


8 posted on 02/03/2012 5:36:25 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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"But the people who supply the dope are and their products are blood stained." Hence the failure of the war on drugs. Eliminating the law would get rid of the murders and crime.
9 posted on 02/03/2012 5:52:17 PM PST by Downinthedixie (ABO)
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To: jpsb

Throw them all in jail - otherwise taxpayers will be forced to pay their medical costs.

Jail is cheaper.


10 posted on 02/03/2012 5:59:35 PM PST by donna (I want to live in a Judeo/Christian country where we know that, before God, men & women are equal.)
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To: Downinthedixie

Eliminate laws on murder and save money. Eliminate all traffic laws and drive free! Right


11 posted on 02/03/2012 6:11:02 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

That made no sense. When did I say anything about eliminating laws on murder? I simply said that the drug traffickers would no longer traffic in marijuana if it were legalized.

Thereby stopping the crime associated with it.


12 posted on 02/03/2012 6:16:29 PM PST by Downinthedixie (ABO)
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To: count-your-change
But the people who supply the dope are and their products are blood stained.

Sorry, but that blood is on the hands of the prohibitionists.
13 posted on 02/03/2012 6:19:48 PM PST by microgood
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To: donna

Everyone in jail has all their medical costs paid for too. Including dental. And they can get whatever drugs they want.


14 posted on 02/03/2012 6:20:28 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: donna
Throw them all in jail - otherwise taxpayers will be forced to pay their medical costs.

You want to throw 25 million people in jail? Since 99% of them have jobs and pay taxes, you will not only lose that revenue but the cost alone at $45,000 x 25 million would be 112.5 billion a year.

You should become a member of Congress. You think just like they do.
15 posted on 02/03/2012 6:25:01 PM PST by microgood
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To: microgood
Sorry, but that blood is on the hands of the prohibitionists.

If some guy robs a store and shoots the clerk to death, would you sue Smith & Wesson? Do we blame the shooter, or the corp?

If a drug user dies or kills someone, do we blame the drug user, or do we blame the bureaucrat who enforces the law?

I'm not necessarily opposed to changing the law, but I also think people should be accountable for their own actions. People in the drug trade do damage lives and they are not blameless -- trying to say the prohibitionists have blood on their hands is really misrepresenting reality.

16 posted on 02/03/2012 6:25:01 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (When the night falls, it falls on me, and when the day breaks I'm in pieces.)
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To: donna

Jail is expensive, let’s just kill them that would be a lot cheaper. And since we are trying to save money on medical care we could get rid of old folks too at the same time, and anyone that has a serious medical condition. Also the not too bright need a serious looking at. /s


17 posted on 02/03/2012 6:32:35 PM PST by jpsb
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To: microgood
Since 99% of them have jobs and pay taxes

You might want to think about that again.

18 posted on 02/03/2012 6:34:03 PM PST by Darth Reardon (No offense to drunken sailors)
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To: microgood

It’s always other peoples fault. An uncorked and sour whine.


19 posted on 02/03/2012 6:38:56 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I'm not necessarily opposed to changing the law, but I also think people should be accountable for their own actions.

I think that is a fair point, but the policy makers who implement these laws knowing what the effects will be in the massive increase of crime, corruption, loss of civil rights, and lawlessness are culpable for those bad policies.

They are not directly responsible for the deaths that the drug dealers commit, but accepting the fact that 50,000 deaths is an acceptable cost for waging their policies is in my opinion, grossly negligent on their part.
20 posted on 02/03/2012 6:40:01 PM PST by microgood
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