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To: Texas Eagle
Historian George Langdon argues that the condition of early Plymouth was not “communism” but “an extreme form of exploitative capitalism in which all the fruits of men’s labor were shipped across the seas.”

Yes, but Bethell goes on,

"In this he echoes Samuel Eliot Morison, who claims that 'it was not communism . . . but a very degrading and onerous slavery to the English capitalists that was somewhat softened.' Notice that this does not agree with the dissension that Bradford reports, however. It was between the colonists themselves that the conflicts arose, not between the colonists and the investors in London. Morison and Langdon conflate two separate problems. On the one hand, it is true that the colonists did feel “exploited” by the investors because they were eventually expected to surrender to them an undue portion of the wealth they were trying to create. It is as though they felt that they were being “taxed” too highly by their investors—at a 50 percent rate, in fact.

"But there was another problem, separate from the “tax” burden. Bradford’s comments make it clear that common ownership demoralized the community far more than the tax. It was not Pilgrims laboring for investors that caused so much distress but Pilgrims laboring for other Pilgrims. Common property gave rise to internecine conflicts that were much more serious than the transatlantic ones. The industrious (in Plymouth) were forced to subsidize the slackers (in Plymouth)."

4 posted on 11/24/2011 9:01:13 AM PST by FreeKeys (Democracy is TYRANNY of the MAJORITY; it's 99 wolves and a turkey voting on what's for dinner.)
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To: FreeKeys
Bradford’s comments make it clear that common ownership demoralized the community far more than the tax. It was not Pilgrims laboring for investors that caused so much distress but Pilgrims laboring for other Pilgrims.

Exactly. Deadbeats got food, drink, clothing and shelter without working for it.

10 posted on 11/24/2011 9:25:49 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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