Whales in the desert: Fossil bonanza poses mystery

Thank you for your reply.

THERE ARE NO DINOSAUR FOSSILS THAT DATE EARLIER THAN 65 MILLION YEARS AGO

LOLOLOL! Soft tissues have been found in some dinosaur bones. Impossible if they are that old.

So what if the bones where "dated" and declared to be that old? The dating is notoriously problematic. I remember hearing about the time that a laboratory was given some rock to date and they dated it as millions of years old only to find out that the specimen was from the Mount Saint Helens eruption and was only ten years old. Lol! If dating doesn't work well for things that we know the age of, why is it assumed to work for things we don't know the age of?

Nice retort. Love a good debate. Don’t have time to respond at present as I need to attend to “bidnez”. Got’s to keep making money so I can pay the insatiable hunger of the “gubmint” with my tax dollars, but will respond back later when I have time.

Thank you for your patience.

Ernie

“...a laboratory was given some rock to date and they dated it as millions of years old only to find out that the specimen was from the Mount Saint Helens eruption and was only ten years old.”

Excellent point. However, I do not recall ever hearing about that in scientific or professional publications, aside from heresay, and certainly not in a scientific journal, the USGS, Scientific American or any other geologic publication. Would love to see documentation from the source that reported this “fact”, since as of today’s date, I have not seen any real, genuine or scientifically documented evidence to support such claims.

FYI...I don’t discount the fact that it may be possible that I am wrong. However, in matters of science, I need to see scientific, impericle evidence before I accept an assertion as being “true”. (Example: I hope (and blieve) that the “Shroud of Turin” is indeed the burial cloth of Christ, but as of this date there isn’t any scientific proof to support this belief, which is why it is a “belief” rather than a fact. Which I might add doesn’t mean my faith is misplaced, but rather, requires me to struggle harder to maintain my “belief”, and thus makes my faith stronger. “Those who stand for nothing, will fall for anything.” Know what I mean?)

Anyways, please be advised that I certainly enjoy the debate, but I will have to wait until later today before responding back to you in greater detail.

Ernie

See:

Austin, S.A., 1996. Excess Argon Within Mineral Concentrates from the New Dacite Lava Dome at Mount St. Helens Volcano. CEN Tech.J., 10(3):335-343.

Dalrymple, G.B., 1969. 40Ar/36Ar analysis of historic lava flows. Earth and Planetary Science Letters, 6:47-55.

As William D. Stansfield, Ph.D said:
"It is obvious that radiometric techniques may not be the absolute dating methods that they are claimed to be. Age estimates on a given geologic stratum by different radiometric methods are often quite different (sometimes by hundreds of millions of years). There is no absolutely reliable long-term radiological `clock'."
(Stansfield, W.D., 1977. The Science of Evolution, Macmillan, New York, p 84)

your pic reminded me of this:

"One of the more frightening personal encounters with a sea monster was relayed by teenaged Edward Brian McCleary, who said that his nightmare story began on the pleasant Saturday morning of 24 March 1962 in Pensacola Bay, Florida. McCleary and 4 friends - Eric, Warren, Brad and Larry - had been skin diving near the sunken "Massachusetts" when a sudden storm sent them into the ocean.

After the squall had let up, a heavy fog settled over the sea, and the 5 boys clung desperately to their rubber raft. The mist seemed filled with the odour of dead fish. Then, about 40 feet away, they heard a tremendous splash. Waves reached the raft and broke over the side.

Whatever it was, the boys knew that no boat had made the sound. They heard another splash, and through the fog they could make out what looked like a 10-foot pole with a bulbous head on top. It remained erect for a moment, then bent in the middle and dove under the surface. A sickening odor filled the air.

From out of the fog came a strange, high-pitched squeal. The 5 young men panicked, slipped on their fins, and decided to keep together and swim for the portion of the wrecked "Massachusetts" that remained above water. In the back of them, as they swam, they could hear splashing and a strange hissing sound.

McCleary remembered hearing a terrible scream that lasted for nearly half a minute. "I heard Warren call, 'Help me! It's got Brad! I've got to get outta here - " Then Warren's voice was cut off abruptly by a short cry." The 3 remaining swimmers clustered together not knowing how many feet of ocean separated them from the ghastly creature down there waiting for them.

Larry was the next to disappear. One minute he was there beside them, the next he was gone. The 2 boys dove for their friend but found nothing. Eric got a cramp in his leg. McCleary wrapped his arms around Eric's neck and they continued toward the wreck. A wave broke, separating them when McCleary surfaced, he saw Eric swimming ahead of him. What happened next is the sutff of which lifelong nightmares are made of.

"Right next to Eric that telephone-pole-like figure broke water." McCleary stated later to the authorities. "I could see the long neck and 2 small eyes. The mouth opened, and [the monster] bent over. It dove on top of Eric, dragging him under. I screamed and began to swim past the ship. My insides were shaking uncontrollably."

Somehow the teenage boy managed to swim the remaining 2 miles to shore. He later recalled fragmentary images of sprawling on the beach, stumbling to a tower of some sort, and falling on his face before a group of boys. When he regained consciousness, he was in the Pensacola Naval Base Hospital.

None of the reporters told all the facts of his escape from the hideous sea beast that took the lives of his 4 friends. Each of the various local newspapers carried the story of the tragedy, but they all attributed the boys' death to accidental drownings. McCleary was told that his story about the sea serpent was best left unmentioned.

It remained for Edward Brian McCleary to write his own accoun for "Fate", a small circulation magazine that specialises in stories of the strange, the unusual and the unknown. In his article (May 1965) he asked E.E. McGovern, the director of the search and rescue units, if he believed that the boys had been attacked by a sea monster. "People don't believe these things because they are afraid to," McGovern admitted. "I believe you but there's not much else I can do.""

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060614234017AAZP1fi

When I was in my twenties, my ex husband and I used to beach walk on the California coast near Half Moon Bay. He used to draw a big circle in the sand and then have me see if I could find the fossil.

One day, he drew his usual circle next to a rocky area. I spotted the fossil and then more and more. I had found the fossilized backbone of a whale. he never drew the circle again - lol.

Catastrophicism explains.

Gradualism obscures.

Ernie,
I, too, have enjoyed the discussion/debate/interaction. My week has been busy but since I woke about 2 I figured I would try backing up some of the other points I made, and maybe even ‘spout off’ a little.

Regarding the deserts and when they began – you were wise (to choose that one first) because that was my weakest point.

The Sahara Desert: this one does seem to expand at a pretty consistent rate and if you take that rate and go backwards – it seems to have begun between 4k and 5k years ago. Since we were not there, assumptions are made (depending on looking at facts through evolution or special creation eyes) when determining the age of a desert. From a creationist viewpoint how much sand was in the Gobi Desert, or in the mid-east, etc when the waters of Noah’s time receded? No one knows for sure. By the way, I do believe that the north and south deserts had ice/glaciers that were far greater than they are today. The northern glacier, when the waters receded, probably extended down near the Canada and US border. Genesis also tells me that ‘PELEG’ lived when the waters were divided. I think that the melting caps raised the ocean levels and one place the effect was drastic was between Spain and Africa where the ocean flooded to the east and created the Mediterranean Sea.

Dinosaur bones: When a massive pile of bones in northern Alaska were finally investigated (because it was assumed that it was a musk ox graveyard) the archeologists realized that the bones were from dinosaurs. They have viable blood and marrow where they have tried to clone a dinosaur. Here, too, the scientists were baffles because the blood/marrow could only remain in a viable state for thousands of years. This state could not be maintained for tens of thousands of years let alone millions of years in the artic conditions.

The silt in the ocean shows a relatively short time of accumulation. The ocean also gets saltier each year (like the Dead Sea and the Great Salt Lake) and 10k years ago it would have been pretty much salt free water.

One additional hindrance to millions of years is the magnetic effect in the north and south. It is decreasing exponentially. 20k years ago nothing would have been living, or maybe rather breathing, on the earth. Scientists have a hard time with this truth when they try to account for millions of years. Also, check out the ‘Roche limit” the moon has not been out there, in our orbit, for very long.

[Now for the spouting.]
My worldview determines how I look at the facts. Evolutionists have tried to answer the “bios” or physical body. But, they have no answer for the “psyche’ or the mind and how humans have the ability to think and reason as we do. They have no answer for the breath of life, or the “zoe” the soul, personality, spirit of our lives and how we differ so much from the animal kingdom. (I realize I am using some Greek words here but they all point to man and his life.)

I have a neighbor that goes digging up fossil prints in the surface layers of the earth. When they cast a dinosaur footprint the evolutionists want it, but when they cast a human print right next to it (at the same layer of earth) the evolutionists do not want it. They say to Paul: “You keep it. It does not fit our theory.”
I fear that their worldview closes their eyes to the truth for the sake of money, prestige, or otherwise. It appears that they are like the manmade global warming advocates who take just the facts they want and ignore other facts that contradict the conclusions they already have.

I am sorry that I have been so long in answering but I could not just drop this discussion.

Watery secret of the dinosaur death pose
(Simplest explanation of Dino extinction: They drowned)
New Scientist | 11/23/2011 | by Brian Switek
Posted on 11/26/2011 6:26:37 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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