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To: Texas Songwriter
If it has always been, and if entropy is true, then the universe has has 'plenty of time' for the atomic and subatomic particles to be infinitly [sic] dispersed into a cosmic ocean of nothingness, approaching absolute zero. But....here we are discussing this subject.

That's assuming a fixed amount of matter and energy to start with and a finite space within which to exist. Remember also that you're assuming that "a cosmic ocean of nothingness" has some sort of attributes, but nothing is nothing.

The so-called heat signature of the big bang is a characterization of a phenomenon that doesn't necessitate the existence of a big bang, rather, it was the idea of a big bang, arrived at by a premature interpretation of red shift as being evidence of recessional velocity, that gave rise to this interpretation of the cosmic background radiation. That interpretation is by no means certain or even likely now that we know that at least a large portion of that red shift is intrinsic to certain types of matter and an indication of their age rather than their physical velocity through space.
15 posted on 09/16/2011 6:14:23 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
That's assuming a fixed amount of matter and energy to start with and a finite space withing which to exist. Remember also that you're assuming that "a cosmic ocean of nothingness" has some sort of attributes, but nothing is nothing.

Is your inference that matter and energy are continually being created? I am a little at a loss to understand your point.

Regarding the heat signature, I will simply quote Robert Jastrow, "No explaination other than the Big Bang has been gound for the fireball radiation. The clincher, which has convinced almost the last Doubting Thomaas, is that the radiation discovered by Penzias and Wilson has exactly the pattern of wavelengths expected for thelight and heat produced in a great explosion. Supporters of the steady state theory (Hoyle) have tried desperately to find an alternativce explaination but they have failed. At the present time, the Big Bang theory has no competetors".

Hawking said, of Smoot's projects findings, it is the "The Holy Grail of Cosmology".

If you can, through physics, regress the orignation of the universe, beyond the moment of creation, please explain.

16 posted on 09/16/2011 6:36:07 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (I ou)
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