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To: roamer_1
OK, Remington says their rifles are good. Boy I'm glad we got that cleared up. They even show a rifle going off with no finger on the trigger, ahh, but that's somebody screwing with something. And the thousands of letters they get are just people wanting money, and most of the lawsuits are settled in their favor. At least we got the objective no spin opinion from Remington. It is kinda bad that the counter point was CNBC so that's one in your favor, but CNBC isn't the only complainant here.Look I can't spend two days on one subject, I was just suggesting that he look at Google and see for himself. Gun brands are like cars. Some are Chevy people and some are Ford people. The problem with a gun is that one time in 10,000 it goes off may kill someone you love. There are anecdotal stories in every gun shop I've ever been in. To act like that's the only side to look at is just foolish. I can't believe you used a Remington piece to support your position. I was waiting for them to admit they built a piece of crap, but alas, it wasn't to be. I think the announcers paycheck would come up short if she said the company was lying. I'll be looking for GM to say the Volt is a piece of crap nobody wants. The facts are, the company has paid lawsuits, the designer said there was a flaw and drew up another design that was rejected by Remington, and the discharge was filmed and it was a policeman that did it. Can't they be prosecuted if they intentionally faked it? I would buy a Ruger or Browning. Just sayin.

Full disclosure, I own a million shares of Strum Ruger stock, am the CFO of said company, and have a film that shows Ruger's never misfire and always hits the target. We've never been sued and don't have a special on CNBC. That should count for something.

77 posted on 07/01/2011 9:37:18 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles
Nice to see you here ... I want one of the new Ruger 1911 pistols, with the great night sights and three mags extra, but alas I cannot afford such a fine weapon so I own a Hi Point .45 ACP and a Norinco 1911. Both of my pistols mentioned hit the target when I fire them and go bang so long as there's ammo in the mag. But I sure would like one of those fancy new Stainless Ruger 1911s to try out and make comparisons. ;^)
78 posted on 07/01/2011 9:45:30 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: chuckles

When are you guys going to make a Project Appleseed edition 10/22? PM me if you don’t know what I’m talking about or see my tagline.


83 posted on 07/02/2011 7:42:33 AM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: chuckles
OK, Remington says their rifles are good. Boy I'm glad we got that cleared up.

No, I, and millions of others say it is good - I have literally *never* met a single person who gives Remington the hard ride that you do. Not once in my life, and my life has been spent in a place where there are more guns per capita than anywhere else in the world. I would have a pretty hard time even finding a family who doesn't own (or hasn't owned) a Rem 700 around here. Believe me, if there was a problem with it, it would be more likely to show itself here than any other place, with the possible exception of the military.

They even show a rifle going off with no finger on the trigger, ahh, but that's somebody screwing with something.

OF COURSE it has been screwed with, or it is not clean. *AGAIN*, there has not been a single incident of discharge... *not a single one*, where the action was within it's prescribed parameters and was clean. Neither has there been a single incident where the discharge could be replicated under those very reasonable conditions. IOW, the entire charge is bullsh*t, unless you have modified the action to have a ridiculously light hair trigger; or, you have not cleaned the thing in your entire life.

As a machinist, I guarantee you that ANY engineering can be modified to act differently than designed, and ANY engineered safety can be made to fail by those modifications... To include Ruger's.

The problem with a gun is that one time in 10,000 it goes off may kill someone you love.

Don't be pulling that voodoo bullcrap on me, and wrap it in "It's for the children". This ain't rocket science. It is a mechanical action that I understand. I know it isn't going to "go off" one time in 10,000. I know it isn't going to "go off" AT ALL. It won't because IT CAN'T. I like a fairly light trigger, but not anywhere near that light.

And IF it could go off, and 'kill someone I love,' it would be because I was not following the very basic, and first rule of gun ownership - never point the muzzle at anyone at any time, UNLESS you want 'em dead. At that point, this supposed flaw would be a feature.

There are anecdotal stories in every gun shop I've ever been in. To act like that's the only side to look at is just foolish.

I will go around again, specifically because you said this, and record what I hear - but I already know this to be bullsh*t, as I have already inquired extensively - To attack the integrity of the Rem 700 is to attack the premiere, most popular rifle in the US - Don't think it didn't make waves when it happened. And exactly *none* of the gunshops I frequent had anything but laughter for the charge... Very similar in scope to the charges made against Chevy's side-saddle gas tanks, and very much the same reaction.

The facts are, the company has paid lawsuits, the designer said there was a flaw and drew up another design that was rejected by Remington, and the discharge was filmed and it was a policeman that did it. Can't they be prosecuted if they intentionally faked it?

I find it odd that the 'policeman's' rifle is not available for examination... to determine whether the action had been modified (I can confidently predict that it was).

And lawsuits are settled all the time without justice - Insurance companies have more to do with settlements than any proof of guilt. If you are indeed a CFO, you know yourself that is a risk abatement strategy, and insurance providers are more attuned to risk than to the truth of the matter - One can just as easily say that those who settled showed the truth of their actions - If my son were killed by such a discharge, and I knew that to be true, there is no amount of money that would keep me out of court, and off the front page.

Full disclosure, I own a million shares of Strum Ruger stock, am the CFO of said company, and have a film that shows Ruger's never misfire and always hits the target.

Ahh... there's the truth of it. Pimping your ride. Well I can tell you I will never buy another Ruger, precisely because of your words here today. And I thank the Lord I chose Marlin for the last gun I bought (45/70) over yours. I hate bad faith and rumor mongers, and I find it to be a despicable business practice, regardless of the quality of one's product. So if you are as you say, know that you have just lost a customer. Perhaps others will follow.

We've never been sued and don't have a special on CNBC. That should count for something.

Your turn will come - And I will just laugh, and remember this day.

89 posted on 07/02/2011 11:01:34 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: chuckles

[Full disclosure, I own a million shares of Strum Ruger stock, am the CFO of said company, and have a film that shows Ruger’s never misfire and always hits the target.]

Since you are the one always trashing Remington, this figures. Too bad Ruger M-77’s are junk. As a Big Game guide, I would never carry one in the field to protect my Bear/Moose clients. They jam and don’t feed worth a crap. I have had 2 of them because the Mauser style action is what guides prefer. But the M-77 extrator is very crude and does not work well.

The action also has severe feeding problems using rapid fire techniqe. I took them to the best gunsmiths, who have built some fine benchrest shooters for me, and there is something about the design that cannot be corrected.

I went back to my Whitworth express and Pre-64 Mod. 70 Winchester. (In 375 H&H) Now there are two of the finest dangerous game charge stoppers on the planet.


92 posted on 07/02/2011 11:40:46 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: chuckles
Here's what I'm looking for: I'd like a bolt action rifle in .30 caliber that can reach out reliably and repeatably to ranges of 800 yards. The stock must be as impervious as reasonably possible to weather, temperature, humidity, etc.

The cartridge should be able to reliably put down a 250 pound animal.

I'd like this weapon to come in under 9 pounds if possible, without scope or mounts for same.

I'll admit that the only Ruger products I own are a couple of 10-22 rifles. But I do consider that product to be an absolute essential before one purchases almost any other firearm.

Which of your line would you recommend and in what caliber?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

L

100 posted on 07/02/2011 8:43:22 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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