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What Are the Social Implications of Economic Collapse?
Sovereign Man ^ | June 14, 2011 | Simon Black

Posted on 06/15/2011 12:53:57 AM PDT by danielmryan

For the last few days, we’ve been having an important discussion about the magnitude of the economic challenges in the west; if you didn’t read yesterday’s letter, I really encourage you to do so before proceeding because it’s important to understand why the west has truly passed the point of no return.

Simply put, the United States and much of Europe are borrowing an extraordinary amount of money now just to pay interest on the money they’ve already borrowed. They cannot even self-fund their mandatory entitlement programs without going into the hole, and their options are limited:

Option 1: Continue borrowing, keep the party going.

As long as the government CAN do this, they WILL do this. Regardless of their intentions, though, more debt only worsens the situation, creating higher borrowing costs in the long run, and even more debt. As this happens, the pool of buyers begins to dry up, especially from overseas.

Option 2: Inflation

The more buyers stop purchasing Treasury securities, the more the Federal Reserve will mop up the excess liquidity. In doing so, the Fed essentially conjures up money and loans it to the government.

No matter what the government monkey statistics say, this is inflationary, plain and simple. The more money they print, the greater the level of inflation in the long-term. Meanwhile, as foreigners simultaneously reduce their US dollar holdings, this inflation will become more acutely felt in the US.

Option 3: Austerity

There’s going to come a time when the US government is forced to face its economic reality and make some incredibly deep cuts that would be felt across society, from Wall Street and the military industrial complex to project housing on the other side of the tracks.

Option 4: Default

Eventually, the debt burden is simply going to be too much, and the most obvious solution will be to default. Politicians will make China out to be the enemy and they will probably invent a war just to have an excuse to default on Chinese owned debt. Americans will wave the flag and celebrate defaulting on their enemies.

Option 5: Economic Cannibalism

In the best traditions of Atlas Shrugged, the government will continue its persecution of the productive class– professionals, investors, entrepreneurs, and skilled workers. Existing taxes will rise, new taxes will be created, trade barriers will be enacted, and a maze of cost prohibitive regulations will be passed.

The first option (keeping the party going) is what has been happening for years. Politicians make small concessions to show they’re “serious” about fiscal discipline, cutting laughably small programs while dumping hundreds of billions of dollars into wars and entitlement programs.

The worse the debt situation becomes, though, the higher the borrowing costs become, and the worse the debt situation becomes. It’s not an enviable position. Existing lenders will continue backing away from the US Treasury market, giving option 1 a half-life measured in months at best.

In the longer term, only options 2-5 remain: inflation, austerity, default, and cannibalism. Each of these remaining options will shake the financial system to its core. More importantly, each of these has the power to create widespread social upheaval....


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: economiccollapse; preparedness; shtf
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He goes on to list what he expects when the stuff hits the fan. (My own comments are in parentheses.)This fellow sells advice on how to expatriate, so his interest lies with presenting the future darkly, but it's not easy to dismiss what he says out of hand.
1 posted on 06/15/2011 12:54:01 AM PDT by danielmryan
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To: danielmryan

revolution.


2 posted on 06/15/2011 1:45:17 AM PDT by exnavy (May the Lord bless and keep our troops.)
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To: danielmryan

“This fellow sells advice on how to expatriate”
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I became an expat in 2004, and have not regretted it for one moment.


3 posted on 06/15/2011 1:46:29 AM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: danielmryan

Economic Collapse is not coming anytime soon. All reports of impending doom are overrated. The sky is not falling, therefore the point of this article is moot.

What would happen if an Asteroid hit the earth? Probably more likely in our lifetimes than an American Weimar Republic.


4 posted on 06/15/2011 1:52:25 AM PDT by lmr
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To: lmr
Economic Collapse is not coming anytime soon.

You made that flat assertion. Care to back it up with any reasoning why one can't happen?

/johnny

5 posted on 06/15/2011 2:10:50 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: lmr

Prepare for the worst hope for the best.

What would happen if the article is correct, if it is wrong.

If one were to prepare for the worst scenario and nothing happens would have network of like friend, guns and food.

If the worst does not happen one would have guns like minded friends and food.
Win Win


6 posted on 06/15/2011 2:21:07 AM PDT by Nailbiter
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To: JRandomFreeper
You made that flat assertion. Care to back it up with any reasoning why one can't happen?

Well, I'd be proving a negative, which is pointless.

I didn't say that there wouldn't be pain and hardship or that those things don't already exist, but Economic collapse? Color me skeptical.

I can't predict the future but the one thing we know for certain is that things have been worse than this and we have a long way to go before we get to that point. If we can find the right leadership and turn our growth numbers around, we can erase much of what has happened in the last 3 or 4 years in less than a decade. The right trajectory would turn the pain into real hope. The circumstances have to be right, but the potential is certainly there. We've been here before, 30 years ago.
7 posted on 06/15/2011 2:36:43 AM PDT by lmr
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To: lmr

Curious. Your response is “out of step” with your personal page. Did you leave your browser open and someone else replied?


8 posted on 06/15/2011 2:41:58 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: lmr

In His last trip with the Apostles Jesus took them to the Mount of Olives where a place called the Herodian could be seen. He sat them down. Did they recall just a few days earlier He had told them, “If you have the faith of a seed of mustard you can cause mountains (like that one) to go away.” We have the ability to make gummint irrelevant. We currently shape our lives as if the gummint was the most important thing. Stop. Start shaping your life as if gummint was irrelevant. A huge, whining, spoiled brat that can only continue to misbehave because we give it the money to do so. Stop.


9 posted on 06/15/2011 2:47:44 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

That profile was over a year old. That’s not who I am anymore. I guess you can say that I’ve given up on being worried about everything after nothing disastrous happened. I’m disillusioned by the fear-mongering that I was once caught up in. I’m probably not even as political anymore, but certainly more philosophical. I am beginning to loathe the Internet and it’s ability to spread fear at an exponential rate. I’ve changed and will write a new profile later. I’m more of a techno-cynic these days than anything.

You are right, it is out of step with my beliefs now.

Take care.


10 posted on 06/15/2011 2:52:43 AM PDT by lmr
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To: wastoute

What? Jesus was a Libertarian? haha...


11 posted on 06/15/2011 2:55:12 AM PDT by lmr
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To: lmr
You can't predict the future and you can't don't rule out that there will be hardship and pain, but the article is moot?

In the past when things went south wouldn't you say that a vast majority of the people didn't expected it? Did the German's expect the Weimar Republic? Did most Argentinians see with certainly what was going to happen to their economy, which was considered one of the strongest in South America at the time?

I love optimist they keep hope alive, but anyone can see we are in for some very bad times just how bad I grant you remains to be seen, but there is no coming away from the debt this country owes without a significant amount real pain. So no matter the degree that things go awry those that plan and prepareded are certain to come away with in better shape those that just stand and hope.
12 posted on 06/15/2011 3:10:43 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

The most likely outcome isn’t the extreme, I know that much. That’s all I was saying. Just suggesting that people should get a grip and not believe every doomsday narrative on the Internet like it’s a given. Like this article is doing. The whole ‘We’re doomed’ byline has gotten old, especially after the day of reckoning never came for like 2 or 3 years. It had it’s appeal at first, but it’s worn out now. I, for one, am tired of seeing it. Cheers.


13 posted on 06/15/2011 3:15:46 AM PDT by lmr
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To: danielmryan
Civil War.
Race War.

The first skirmishes are starting in Urban areas, shopping malls and beaches across the nation as black 'youths' use twitter, facebook and other social media to organize 'flash mobs' that terrorize, assault and rob non-blacks.

Expect more of this and expect it to get uglier. Far uglier. White women have ended up in intensive care and beaten nearly to death when these vermin emerge from a subway station like a swarm of angry black hornets.

The press dares not breath a word about this story. Calls these bands of marauding black thugs, 'youths' or simply, 'flash mobs'.

In fact, the press is complicit in hiding these facts from teh population at large who by and large know almost nothing about what happened on Memorial Day across the nation and happens more and more often... even in non-ghetto areas.

Instead of reporting the news, the liberal elites scold us for actually wanting to know about the menace that threatens us. Then they shut down any discussion on the matter. Just see what they did in Chicago:

No Reporting Race Incidents. NO DISCUSSION!: We Liberal elites know what is good for you racists plebes!


14 posted on 06/15/2011 3:23:25 AM PDT by Bon mots
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To: lmr
"The most likely outcome isn’t the extreme, I know that much.

And that's why we are asking what how do you 'know it'? What economic data do you see that we don't? What plan to stop the mounting national debt are you privy to that we haven't heard about. Other than hope what makes you sure that we are just going to come out the otherside?

We've seen plenty of life changing social uphevels all around the world in our own lifetimes. Things that did shake the world and most didn't foresaw them or just ignored the possiblity that they could occur intil they happened. This time I think it's our turn.
15 posted on 06/15/2011 3:36:11 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: AlexW
I became an expat in 2004, and have not regretted it for one moment.

Where did you go and how did you do it?

16 posted on 06/15/2011 3:42:44 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: lmr
I’ve given up on being worried about everything after nothing disastrous happened. I’m disillusioned by the fear-mongering that I was once caught up in.

I hope you're right but isn't it best to err on the side of caution and prepare for the worst?

17 posted on 06/15/2011 3:46:41 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: YankeeReb

“Where did you go and how did you do it? “
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I started out in central Europe, having a good life as a private tutor of English conversation.
I know, that sounds a bit strange, but really, all I did was sit with some employee of a bank or business, and chat with them for 90 min. This was in Bratislava, Slovakia.
For my efforts of about 20 hours per week, I made about S1500 per month.

In Jan. 2009, I moved on, and now live on a beach in the Philippines, where my only job is to raise my new four month old baby boy.


18 posted on 06/15/2011 4:08:36 AM PDT by AlexW (Proud eligibility skeptic)
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To: lmr

I’ve gone through a similar transformation.


19 posted on 06/15/2011 4:26:33 AM PDT by corlorde (New Hampshire)
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To: AlexW

Same here.......been an expatriate since June 2001.

I was in Prague, doing the exact same thing you did, and living pretty good to boot. Now, I do proofreading/editing for a Turkish company, still living good, but in Berlin. Next stop; very likely Istanbul.

Cheers.


20 posted on 06/15/2011 4:36:01 AM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad
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